The UK finally knows what a woman is. Yes, really

[Retro]

Such a big facepalmer, I can't believe this obvious fact since the year dot that any small child knows needed any kind of court ruling, but there you are, now you know.

I'll leave it here, I can't take it anymore.

Judges at the UK Supreme Court have unanimously ruled that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law.

It marks the culmination of a long-running legal battle which could have major implications for how sex-based rights apply across Scotland, England and Wales.

The court sided with campaign group For Women Scotland, which brought a case against the Scottish government arguing that sex-based protections should only apply to people that are born female.

Judge Lord Hodge said the ruling should not be seen as a triumph of one side over the other, and stressed that the law still gives protection against discrimination to transgender people.

Supreme Court backs 'biological' definition of woman

The landmark ruling could have major implications for how sex-based rights apply across Scotland, England and Wales.

www.bbc.co.uk

UPDATE 18.04.25

Here's the consequences of this ruling:

What Supreme Court's gender ruling means for workplaces, hospitals and sports

A landmark ruling confirming the legal definition of a woman is linked to biological sex was delivered by the UK Supreme Court.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

[Hitcore]

that any small child knows

Is this the child you are thinking of, Retro?

 

[Hitcore]

Furthermore, what individuals are and what individuals identify with I've always kept those two separate. I respect the latter, but I recognize the former. I have a relative, for example, who is FtM trans, identifying as he/him. Sure, I'll play along, in direct interaction at least. However, that does not mean that I actually believe that my relative is a dude.

Retro, you could identify yourself as Nefertiti, Queen of the Egyptians for all I care. Sure, I'll call you "your majesty" or whatever, if that makes you feel better, I won't make a big political fueled fuss out of it. People get all militant too often over trivial* stuff anyway, it's definitely something I actively avoid these days. Generally I act nice about this sort of thing. Being nice goes a long way. But one can imagine that my brain wouldn't actually register you as what you say you are..... your highness.


*it also helps to know that I think most things are trivial. I'm a massive nihilist.

 

[Retro]

Retro, you could identify yourself as Nefertiti, Queen of the Egyptians for all I care. Sure, I'll call you "your majesty" or whatever, if that makes you feel better, I won't make a big political fueled fuss out of it.

Hail King Retro! That has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

Indeed, respect how people identify themselves as, but it's obvious what they really are and it's really impossible for them to change it.

I think I have an idea of where these gender disorders come from: when the baby starts to first form and grow in the womb, everyone is female, scientists know this. However, due to some process with hormones and lots of other stuff I don't know much about and that I'm not sure scientists completely understand either, some of them then get turned into males. If this process goes wrong, then people can end up identifying as the other gender. They literally can't help it and shouldn't be discriminated against for it.

 

[Hitcore]

If this process goes wrong, then people can end up identifying as the other gender.

With some individuals, yes. That also explains homosexuality for a part. And with some individuals I highly doubt it, and suspect that there may be other causes at hand, whether it be psychological, environment, or through abuse.
And sometimes it's possibly even a mix of all of these things. Like with many things, I think these matters are often kind of a grey area and to be taken from case to case rather than applying a one-size-fits-all explanation.

Hail King Retro! That has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

YES, your highness! Thou art King Retro, king of NerdZone!
(seriously though, it has a better ring to it than founder or head admin, and you have the power to actually change it to king!)

 

[Retro]

With some individuals, yes. That also explains homosexuality for a part. And with some individuals I highly doubt it, and suspect that there may be other causes at hand, whether it be psychological, environment, or through abuse.
And sometimes it's possibly even a mix of all of these things. Like with many things, I think these matters are often kind of a grey area and to be taken from case to case rather than applying a one-size-fits-all explanation.

Yeah, I'm sure that the full set of reasons are much greyer than we imagine, but I do know that science doesn't completely understand why this happens.

Changing my siggy like that would be kinda funny, but I'd rather keep it as it is.

 

[Tiffany]

I'd like to just add a "duh" for my comments on this subject.

 

[Retro]

I've just updated my first post with the consequences of this ruling.

 

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Oh dear, trans rights activists still don't know what a woman is and have therefore staged an "emergency" protest. They still think that a trans woman is a woman, not a man, which they actually are.


Um, no, they're men as they can't change their biologcal sex

The ruling means trans women cannot use single-sex female toilets, changing rooms or compete in women’s sports, according to the head of Britain’s equalities watchdog.

Stopping these trans women from competing in women's sports is a really important result. It used to irk me no end to see them running away with a win against women, as a man generally would, being bigger and stronger than a woman.

Trans rights groups lead ’emergency’ protest over landmark gender court ruling

Activists demanded ‘trans liberation’ and ‘trans rights now’.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

[Hitcore]

Christiano Ronaldo is 40 years old now. His career has been exceptional. But given his age it is coming to an end, so he might as well go out with a bang. It would be hilarious if, for his final season, he would identify as a woman and join a club in some women's league. And then score at least 10 goals every single match, ending the season with like 300 goals. It would be interesting to see how that would influence the discussion on biological men in women's sports.

As a sports enthusiast, I happen to know some mentionworthy results when female players competed against male players:

• US women's team (world champions) vs Wrexham (retired): 0-12.
• US women's team vs FC Dallas under 15: 2-5.
• Tennis: Serena AND Venus Williams (women's top) vs Braasch (ranked 203). 1-6 and 2-6. Braasch smoked cigarettes in between.

 

[Retro]

Morons.

Trans activists deface statue of feminist hero Millicent Fawcett

Trans rights activists defaced a statue of Millicent Fawcett during a protest against the Supreme Court’s ruling on the definition of a woman.

uk.yahoo.com

I'm so glad the supreme court ruled on the side of common sense. I'm so thoroughly sick of political correctness with these things for fear of "offending" these weirdos. If someone has gender dysphoria let them deal with it without making it everyone else's problem too.

 

[Geffers]

Medical advancement is a wonderful thing, it gives hope to many with health problems but the trans issue is not one I'd support. If a guy wants to dress as a woman then so be it but cannot force his desires on others at the expense of women in sports or female only spaces. Can't say too much as the UK's Online Safety Act may shut Nerdzone down.

 

[Hitcore]

Can't say too much as the UK's Online Safety Act may shut Nerdzone down.

Good call. I too do purposely not reveal my true powerlevel. Which is all you need to know what's inherently wrong with the system.

 

[Retro]

Trans judge has a problem with the supreme court defining the obvious, most likely because it stops their problem from being everyone else's problem too, like it has been for far too long.

In particular, because it stops trans women from using women's toilets, something they'd been doing for the longest time with no justification and making real women feel vulnerable. Similar for trans men.

It looks like trans women won't be able to participate in women's sport either, which was a particular travesty. They’re still men with all the physical advantages over women as regular men such as height and strength which can allow them to run rings around women.

UK’s first trans judge appeals to European court of human rights over supreme court ruling

Victoria McCloud brings action against UK for infringement of her human rights after ruling on biological sex

www.theguardian.com

 

[Retro]

Good, sanity finally prevails in football.

Funny how there were never any trans men in football, isn't it?

FA to ban transgender women from playing women’s football in England

Transgender women will not be able to play in women’s football in England from 1 June, the Football Association has announced

www.theguardian.com

 

[Retro]

Sanity prevailing some more. I especially like how it happened with immediate effect.

ECB says transgender women cannot compete in women's cricket with immediate effect

The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) bar transgender women from women's cricket with immediate effect.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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While the return of common sense is welcome, I am a bit suspicious of the so sudden return of it across nearly the entire board. Why was it absent in the first place? It low-key feels as manufactured, like a distraction of some sort. Or as acts of remoralization, like something is soon to be needed from citizens.

Oh well, there is no way of knowing this for sure. Only time will tell. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Retro]

I think I know why. No one ever wanted men masquerading as women playing the women's game, so were compelled by the prevailing opinions and discrimination laws to allow it. Now that the Supreme Court has ruled the other way, they can't reverse their positions fast enough. I mean men doing this was fucking weird, right? Hence, I'm glad that orgs no longer have to pander to it.

Notice how the ECB isn't being discriminatory for the hell of it though:

The ECB say transgender women and girls can continue playing in open and mixed cricket categories.

Quite fair really and I agree with that position.

 

[Hitcore]

Open and mixed categories are quite acceptable, because every participant knows what they've signed up for. There the whole male and female and whatever people identify themselves as becomes a bit of a moot point.

This brings me to the sport of Korfball, have you heard of it?

Korfball - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is a Dutch sport, played both indoors and outdoors. Korfball is kind of like basketball, but with literally a basket. 8 players per team: 4 dudes, 4 dudettes.



I've participated in an open tournament once. I sucked at it, but it was a fun experience.
Afterwards there was mixed showering, though I doubt that that still is a thing (I participated around the year 2000, people didn't make a fuss about much those days).

I also wonder now how the transgender question is handled within that sport. For example, 8 players in a team with: 4 men, 3 women, and 1 person who identifies as a woman but is biologically a man. I should look into this.

 

[Retro]

No, I've never heard of Korfball, looks like a version of basketball and I see it's played with 4 men and 4 women.

I also wonder now how the transgender question is handled within that sport. For example, 8 players in a team with: 4 men, 3 women, and 1 person who identifies as a woman but is biologically a man. I should look into this.

That's a good question. Since it's formally a 4/4 game, the answer is obvious to me: a trans woman is categorised as a man, so that would make 3 men + 1 trans man + 4 women. I wonder how the women would feel about playing with 4 trans women. Would be creepy, I'd have thought.

I sucked at it

I'd suck harder, trust me!

 

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I'd suck harder, trust me!

Lol. The thing is, I vividly remember going to that tournament thinking I'ma whoop sum azz since I still had a lot of schoolyard basketball in my system at the time, which I was pretty decent at. Boy was I wrong. Korfball has completely different dynamics.

It's a pretty static sport, you're not allowed to bounce and dribble. As soon as somebody throws you the ball, you've GOT to stay right where you are, and either pass it to the next person or take a shot at the korf. So imagine, right, you're standing still, while two or three tall people go right at you and frantically wave their flailing arms like a bunch of mimes on amphetamines (seriously) so your passes are almost always going to be shit. Also, as soon as you make the slightest contact the ref goes ballistic like you've been throwing punches like Mike Tyson.

Since my playing style on the basketball court was always very dribble heavy and I was used to using a bit of contact, I found korfball to be an interesting experience to play once, but overall it is definitely not my cup of tea.

 

[Retro]

Crikey, sounds infuriating and not a game I'd like to play either. Don't like that staticness, especially. I might end up punching a ref like that...

 

[Hitcore]

Lol.
I would love to see a 7 ft NBA player come to The Netherlands and play korfball some day and absolutely disregard any rules, bodychecking the entire opposing team while dribbling and then slamdunking the everliving bejesus out of the korf, completely ripping that flimsily woven basket to shreds, leaving all the korfball people bewildered and flabbergasted behind.
That would be super, super awesome.