Hard evidence that Jesus never existed

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Ever since I shucked the shackles of religion and became an atheist (I never truly believed, really) through critical thinking and a scientific mind, I suspected that someone may have existed at the time, perhaps a con artist, or some cult figure (really, a form of con artist), or perhaps someone who did genuine good in a non supernatural way, anything that might have started the religion that we know of as Christianity today. This man certainly wasn't supernatural or the son of god, or did miracles, that's all a lie as there's no evidence at all to back up these claims. Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so radio silence of such major events can be taken as proof that they didn't happen.

More lately, I've seen articles and videos claiming that Jesus never even existed at all by going over many, many records that were made at the time by people proven to have existed that don't even mention him. For example, there's no record written at the time of Pontius Pilate having crucified anyone like him at all. You'd think a major event like that would go in his log book, wouldn't you?

Christians like to bring up the accounts of Flavius Josephus and Tacitus as proof of accounts written at the time, however, that doesn't stand up. This supposed Jesus died in AD 33 (the calendar started with him after all) while Josephus was born in AD 37 and Tacitus in AD 56, clearly after Jesus had died so couldn't possibly have writen their accounts during the time of Jesus, now could they? Oh dear, that's awkward, isn't it? There goes your evidence.

The video also explains how the four gospels were written decades later by anonymous writers writing in Greek with the earliest being about 40 years who lived in another country and had never even met this supposed Jesus character, their writings having been informed by apparent word of mouth and unreliable written accounts. These gospels then contradict each other in many critical ways that shows them to be completely unreliable accounts of this supposed Jesus, destroying their credibility. There's no way that any modern account of someone who died 40+ years ago written in this way would be taken seriously, yet Christians study these gospels and take them as the literal, inerrant truth and allow themselves to be controlled by this religion, priests and preachers, especially those big scam churches in America. Ridiculous.

This video explains all this and more. I don't expect religious people to be moved at all by what they hear in this video (it's really just a voiceover with zooming pictures, so you can hide the video part completely if you want) as facts are irrelevant to them. However, anyone who's not sure, or is an atheist who just wants to know more about this subject will learn a lot from this video and can look things up in more detail later. The best part of all this, is that everything explained in this video can be fact checked and proven to be correct if one is willing to put in the legwork. Put in the legwork with the bible and you end up with a similar account to what's in this video as it will show it up to be the extensive bunch of lies and myths that it is.

After watching this video, I now doubt very much that someone actually existed at the time, perhaps maybe, at most, in a low key way that didn't get into the history books of the time. Maybe it's just possible, but without a time machine to go take a look and film it all on your hidden camera (and hope that the locals don't spot you...) it's impossible to completely know, but the evidence is clearly seriously stacked against such a person having even existed, so I'm inclined to also say that Jesus never existed, in any form.

Finally, while the religious will always hide behind the mantra that one can't prove a negative (hence what they believe in is true) and in pure mathematical terms it's true that one can't prove a negative, in the real world, a lot of contrary evidence makes it vanishingly unlikely, so much so that this negative has effectively been proved. As that's the best defence that the religious have for their beliefs, it's not much at all, is it? Nothing at all, in fact. Note how I say the religious rather than Christians? That's because all religions are founded on the idea of a supernatural being with zero evidence to support this claim, so this applies to all of them.

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@petermarkley you're welcome to discuss this from your opposing point of view, but going by what you said previously in another thread, I suspect that you won't want to. That's no problem of course, but remember you're also welcome to post one of your opposing videos if you like. It'll make the thread so much more interesting. :)
 

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Thank you for the politeness of the invitation. You’re correct that I’m not interested in this type of discussion.
 

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Ok, shame, but could I twist your arm into you posting one of your opposing videos? You don't have to say anything, just post it
 

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You seem to have an impression that I make content about this topic, defending my beliefs. I really don’t, and I’m not sure how best to correct your impression.

I have one (1) single video where I approached that with a proverbial 10-foot pole, which I shared the last time you asked. If you like, I’ll share it again here:

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But I will mention, as I mentioned last time too:
  1. The topical match is very poor, and
  2. At the beginning of the video I made an extremely overt effort to point out and avoid crossing the line into a topic of actually defending my beliefs. This was merely a clarification on the nature of what the belief was, for a friend who seemed persistently confused about it.
Again, I thank you for the invitation and I hope we aren’t misunderstanding one another.
 

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You seem to have an impression that I make content about this topic, defending my beliefs. I really don’t, and I’m not sure how best to correct your impression.
Ok, my apologies Peter, that's my bad, I had that impression from looking at some of your videos, just the titles. Thanks for posting the video, I'll take a look.
 

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@petermarkley I like your presentation. It is unbiased, not overbearing, and you are certainly not 'preaching from the pulpit'.
I hope your presentation has cleared your friend's confusion. I find you come across as open-minded, and the purity of your belief shines thru.
 

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There's a theory that I have: i don't believe that Jesus had superpowers. Who even has them, right? If he existed he was just a dude. But!!!... and this is where my theory comes in: what if the dude figured out CPR? Let's say some person drowned, got a bunch of water in his or her longues, and then Jesus performs some Baywatch stuff. Well now, in the modern age that's nothing new. But imagine how people would react to it in the 1st century. To them it would be magic, wouldn't it? Just the sort of thing that would render people to believe that he really is the son of God, with all the powers that come with it.

Think about it. "Death" wasn’t always medically confirmed. In the 1st century, there were no stethoscopes, heart monitors, or neurological tests. If someone stopped breathing or had a veeery faint pulse, onlookers could easily assume they were dead, when in fact they were in shock, unconscious, or drowning. Imagine a man regaining breath and sitting up after appearing lifeless. To an ancient crowd that would be proof of divine authority. Even if Jesus was just unusually observant, compassionate, and knew a trick or two, the story would be told and retold with growing layers of wonder.
 

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Doing those things is a variation on what I was thinking. Thing is, if he was that kind of clever and had worked out a modern technique or two that looked like miracles to the great unwashed of the time, don't you think it would make waves big enough to be written down somewhere? However, there's nothing at all from the time, not even his supposed crucifixion (how barbaric) which makes it extremely unlikely that he existed at all. He's the ultimate urban legend, lol.

The scenarios you imagine sound quite plausible for fooling the people of the time, too.
 
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