The technology to end animal farming exists today + lab meat approved in America

[Retro]

The human body has unfortunately evolved to eat and need meat in its diet along with vegetables, regardless of what vegetarians and vegans say. In other words, we're omnivores and forcing a strictly vegetarian or vegan diet on it isn't the best for our long term health.

Over the centuries, this has lead to the slaughter of billions (trillions maybe?) of farm animals to satisfy this need in what is basically the industrialised murder of sentient beings. Horrible when thought of in raw terms like that. Thankfully, we now have the technology to no longer require this. Called precision fermentation, we just have to make it fly. Also, efforts to create meat in a lab just from animal cells has had some success in recent years and is still a developing technology.

Just imagine having all the cruelty-free burgers that your carnivorous heart desires. Just imagine eating this delicious tower burger free of the guilt that some animal had to die to create it! This would also apply to supplying food for our pets, some of which are obligate carnivores, like cats. Dogs aren't quite as obligate, but can't survive on a wholly vegetarian diet either.



On top of the huge animal cruelty benefit, it's also fantastic for the environment. Incredibly, the protein requirement for the entire human race could be satisfied using this process in an area smaller than the size of London. All those millions of hectares of farmland around the world currently used for raising cattle and other animals for food can then either be rewilded, or put to other uses.

Enough protein to feed the entire world could be produced on an area of land smaller than London if we replace animal farming with factories producing micro-organisms, a campaign has said.

The Reboot Food manifesto argues that three-quarters of the world’s farmland should be rewilded instead.

Emissions from livestock farming account for at least 16.5% of the planet’s greenhouse gases, according to a study. A number of experts have been calling for a reduction in animal protein in our diets.

Replace animal farms with micro-organism tanks, say campaigners

Advocates of plant-based protein say 75% of world’s farmland should be rewilded to reduce emissions

www.theguardian.com

 

[Arantor]

I like meat and I support this process. Sadly, too many parties will be too inclined to put the kybosh on it to prevent their world being disrupted, and this is why we can't have nice things.

Eat the rich.

 

[Retro]

No sooner do I post about precision fermentation than the holy grail of meat production is approved! Can't wait for this to become widespread.

US declares lab-grown meat safe to eat in ‘groundbreaking’ move

The government’s approval will open the market for a food praised for being more efficient and environmentally friendly

www.theguardian.com

 

[Retro]

Eat the rich.

Oh, I dunno, all that corruption would make them taste funny.

 

[Arantor]

Oh, I dunno, all that corruption would make them taste funny.

You only eat them once, then they're gone.

 

[Retro]

You only eat them once, then they're gone.

 

[Crims]

The Dutch ate their PM

 

[Retro]

What's with all the cannibals on NerdZone! Apparently tastes like chicken.

 

[Arantor]

Think you’ll find it’s more like pork, and all them pork markets

 

[Retro]

Plain or spicy?

 

[Arantor]

Which ones did Truss talk about opening up again?

 

[Retro]

Sorry, don't understand the context.

 

[Arantor]

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[Retro]

The way she delivered that is a real facepalmer. It offers a clue as to why she lasted just 5 minutes as PM.

 

[Tiffany]

Really hard to respond to this, with exception of the preservation of animals. I had an article saved as a PDF, I thought, on how this meat is actually produced, but can't find it. For now, I'll just share this horror story from a factory in Pennsylvania, Beyond Meat. Sorry this link is from a right-wing website, but the story was originally posted in Bloomberg and unless you are a member of the website, the story is blocked.

Beyond Meat Gets More Bad News: Leaked Docs Reveal What's Been Found in Product, Horrid Conditions

Yuck.

thefederalistpapers.org

A food processing plant belonging to one of the biggest faux meat companies is riddled with bacteria and food safety violations.

Internal documents and photos from the Beyond Meat plant in metro Philadelphia paint a picture of dangerous conditions with possible repercussions for consumers.

Bloomberg obtained the evidence from plant whistleblowers, publishing the findings in a Monday report.

 

[Geffers]

An issue of unintended consequences could occur, if farming were to be eliminated the land could be returned to nature but doubt it will, more likely built over.

Often good ideas have a negative side to them. Bit like nuclear, can give us cheap and plentiful power but also gives us weapons.

 

[Tiffany]

An issue of unintended consequences could occur, if farming were to be eliminated the land could be returned to nature but doubt it will, more likely built over.

Often good ideas have a negative side to them. Bit like nuclear, can give us cheap and plentiful power but also gives us weapons.

I can see that where greedy moguls buy up the farm land and then build their pet projects like 15 minute cities or something. They will never concede to let acreage grow wild for the sake of lowering emissions.

Nuclear is great when used for power, agreed. Texas is exploring building more nuclear plants. They should, as there have been huge failures in the power grid like in February of 2021. I lived through that. One of my dogs did not. Zero degree temperatures and a very cold house was too much for my senior dog.

Back to lab grown meat. I won't touch it. Shame on our US military for making it required cuisine for our servicemen.

Rant over

 

[Retro]

Back to lab grown meat. I won't touch it. Shame on our US military for making it required cuisine for our servicemen.

Being an animal lover like me, I'm a little surprised that you wouldn't touch it. Is it because you don't trust it to not be harmful, perhaps? A valid argument until it's been on the market for a long time and proven to be safe. Because you're vegetarian / vegan, perhaps?

Personally, I really don't like the internal conflict* I have every time I eat meat and really wish my biology, set by evolution, didn't pretty much mandate it. Yes, I know people can go vegetarian, but it really isn't the same as getting your protein the way we're made to. Hence, if artificial meat became mainstream, I'd look at all the evidence I could from documentaries, any scandals etc and make a judgement call on whether I'll eat it. It's likely to be sooner rather than later, too.

*I'm aware of exactly what that piece of meat sitting on my plate is and at the same time, it's deliciously appealing and satisfying to eat. Can't wait for artificial meat which doesn't have death and cruelty behind it. I guess what I experience is a fine example of cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance: Definition, effects, and examples

Cognitive dissonance is the discomfort a person can experience when their behavior does not align with their beliefs. Learn more here.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

 

[Geffers]

I'm with @Retro on this one, growing meat would effectively be the same as growing veg, of course there are dangers, I'm sure that even with all the EU, US and UK standards on food hygiene there are many production units that contravene any rules, probably more so in meat facilities. There are of course unintended consequences, if we grow meat would cattle, pigs, goats be necessary, would they become extinct?

I eat very little meat, hate the thoughts of animal abuse but nature itself is cruel and sadly we all tend to adhere to 'what the eye don't see the heart doesn't grieve over'.

Geffers

 

[Retro]

I'm sure that even with all the EU, US and UK standards on food hygiene there are many production units that contravene any rules, probably more so in meat facilities.

Alas yes, it happens all the time. Best not to think about it and live in blissful ignorance, lol.

I eat very little meat, hate the thoughts of animal abuse but nature itself is cruel and sadly we all tend to adhere to 'what the eye don't see the heart doesn't grieve over'.

Absolute legend. It explains all the pro animal videos that you post on here that the Retro so approvez of. Feel free to post as many as you like.

I'm gonna create a section for more serious animal discussion that does discuss more distressing issues. That will accommodate the rescue videos that you post, for example. Just keep putting them in General Discussion for now and I'll move them once I've created the section.

 

[Tiffany]

My issue with lab grown meat is three fold and what bothers me to the point of extreme sadness and nightmares is what is being done to these calves to extract FBS.

In order to have the cells to grow the meat product in large vats, you have to extract FBS (fetal bovine serum). This is very cruel and inhumane to me, rather hard to stomach. In order to get the FBS a live calf fetus is used. The process is brutal and I won't explain it here. The Wiki mentions it, but doesn't go through the detail in which the calf suffers greatly before it's death. My second issue, is when you are dealing with cells, you are also expecting these cells to grow in vast numbers. How are they controlling these cells that are treated with a lot of chemicals and hormones (growth factors) and not preventing a cancerous cell? Are you eating these chemicals and growth hormones now? All of those medications you see to treat illnesses that have a black box warning for cancer, is because these companies use a human fetal cell lines that are mechanically grown to use for mass production. There's where your cancer warning comes from. My third issue is imagining a huge vat of blood and chemicals that are to be processed into lab grown meat. I'm not sure it's perfected enough to prevent bacteria. Even today, with all of our technology, that milk shake you get from your favorite drive-thru goes through processes to prevent bacteria growth. How confident are you that the teenager in charge of the milk shake machine is operating like it should?

I love animals, I rarely eat meat, as well, and the thought of not eating meat the traditional way has an upside to it, but I'm not there yet. The part that people don't talk about is cows are still being killed to make lab grown meat. Hampton Creek is a company attempting to create cultured meat that relies on plant products instead of FBS. I really don't know much about this company, but at least someone is looking out for the cow.

 

[Geffers]

All @Tiffany 's points are valid. Profit drives innovation and short cuts are inevitable, we see that with pharma. Again it come down to 'What the eye don't see the heart doesn't grieve over', some do however think beyond what we see. So many champion electric cars but ignore how the batteries are produced. In the end I guess it is down to balance, pros and cons.

Some meat substitutes are quite acceptable, I've often had a veggie burger. macaroni cheese, one of my favourites, potatoes, sweet potatoes, carrots and parsnips are great in a veg curry. Of course, how can you beat egg n chips, baked beans with some nice bread to mop up the juice. I'm going off topic here

Geffers

 

[Retro]

My issue with...

Damn, I've learned something today. So there's cruelty in it after all ffs. I guess the number of animals subjected to it and then murdered is significantly less than the traditional way though, so it's still an "advance". I use inverted commas, because any system still killing animals for the benefit of humans still isn't good enough in my opinion. It's obvious that the motive for this new kind of meat is money, since rearing vast quantities of animals for consumption is very expensive in terms of money, no matter how many corners they cut.

I love animals, I rarely eat meat

Legend.