Why God Doesn’t Exist: The Truth Religion Won’t Tell You

[Retro]

Just discovered this new atheist YouTube channel, Logic Over Faith, started in February 2025 that currently has 80 videos. It explains very well why god doesn't exist and the various contradictions inherent in religions.

Basically, it boils down to there being no evidence for a god. You'd think that if one existed, there would have been some direct evidence over thousands of years, but there's nothing, not a single shred of it, so it's well and truly clear by now that there's no god, that he / it is a human fantasy, and an awful one at that, as the video explains.

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This is the first thread about religion, so if there's enough interest in it, I'll create a dedicated section for it and pop all the threads about this subject there.

 

[Retro]

@petermarkley as our most religious member, you might like to see this and perhaps post one of your own YouTube videos as a rebuttal. All views are good, all welcome.

 

[data66]

Well now, you don't go for the hot topic buttons do you? ROFL! Yeah. I know I'm not contributing much to this but, listen to John Lennon's Imagine, my favorite song. He says a lot in that. So many wars, so much hatred, just a lot of stuff spawns over religion. There's good stuff too, of course. My son, as an agnostic, would probably love to contribute to this one, once he can. I'll just say that, as humans, we seem to need to believe in something better than ourselves. Some superhero (hence all of those superhero movies/games/etc), so maybe that's where God popped up? Or, maybe he is there? All the prayers we've done haven't helped the situation we (my family) are in though.

Guess we'll see what Peter says. I think @Tiffany will be interested in this topic too. Me, I'm just confused/lost/unsure of the whole thing. Imagine that.

 

[data66]

BTW, that was a good video. Lots of good points.

 

[Retro]

Well now, you don't go for the hot topic buttons do you? ROFL! Yeah.

Oh no, not at all. Your son will be welcome here when he's ready. Just remember to DM me his email address and preferred username and I'll create his account, bypassing all the antispam hoops he'd have to jump through otherwise.

Imagine's a great song. John Lennon just wanted world peace, then some nutjob goes and shoots him dead! I remember the headlines from 1980 and now it's been 45 years since it happened, so many things have happened, our lives changed so much and technology massively advanced. Where does the time go, eh?

I'll just say that, as humans, we seem to need to believe in something better than ourselves. Some superhero (hence all of those superhero movies/games/etc), so maybe that's where God popped up? Or, maybe he is there? All the prayers we've done haven't helped the situation we (my family) are in though.

Yes, mankind certainly has a desire to believe in something supernatural looking after it and this lie really holds us back. Funny how the prayers don't work, isn't it? Almost like this magical god doesn't exist...

 

[Tiffany]

Thanks for posting this video. I will watch it tomorrow when I have more time so I can reply properly as a religious subject requires a thoughtful response with care.

 

[petermarkley]

@petermarkley as our most religious member, you might like to see this and perhaps post one of your own YouTube videos as a rebuttal. All views are good, all welcome.

Oh my … I don’t want to be rude, but I have heard all the points in this video ad naseum.

These are all the most standard, most repeated atheist talking points that I have heard most of my life and continue to have forced on me from every quarter on an almost daily basis—often with no good faith behind them to foster healthy, productive discussion. Tbh I’m a little surprised you’d share them here seemingly expecting that I’d find these points interesting or new

I’m sure your intentions are good @Retro but I’m not really convinced it would be helpful for anyone if I tried to address this

 

[data66]

@petermarkley , gee not sure what to say but will chime in anyway. I think @Retro had a good point that you could make a YouTube video on your channel and get more interest with your viewpoints, perhaps gaining some traction on this sort of discussion. Since you do the flat earth debunking, this sorta goes along that line as it was mentioned in the video too.

 

[Tiffany]

I watched the video. It puts conflict in faith itself.

People can choose to believe what they want. In the end faith is blind and blind faith may be all we have. There's great comfort in having a faith, which includes structure, rules and laws to abide by to be a kind person, and care for others. Religion also gives hope and there are many of us that need it in this extremely changing world.

 

[Retro]

Oh my … I don’t want to be rude, but I have heard all the points in this video ad naseum.

These are all the most standard, most repeated atheist talking points that I have heard most of my life and continue to have forced on me from every quarter on an almost daily basis—often with no good faith behind them to foster healthy, productive discussion. Tbh I’m a little surprised you’d share them here seemingly expecting that I’d find these points interesting or new

I’m sure your intentions are good @Retro but I’m not really convinced it would be helpful for anyone if I tried to address this

Right, I finally get to reply!

Well, yes, of course you would hear all the same arguments over and over because the truth doesn't change with time and there are only so many points to make, which I think have pretty much been covered in this video. I especially liked the presentation and wanted to start a thread on religion, so posted this video.

It would be fine for you to address it, of course it would. You're quite articulate in your explanations, eg the flat earth* debunks, so feel free to post your video addressing these points which could make for some lively conversation, or just a written response, if you like. This isn't the "agree with Retro" thread, but an "all viewpoints welcome" one, as always. Only if you want to, of course.

*The earth is actually a really huge 4D hypersphere with only part of it sticking into our dimension, producing a sphere the size of our earth, don't argue.

Ok, of course I'm kidding, but if such a hypersphere existed, sitting partially in our 3D space (mathematically this is possible, see below) and was fairly dense, then you really would get gravity and would be able to run around it like we do.

Check out the explanation on this website. There's a nice video to go with it, too. Dunno why it's billed for children, because really it's suitable for anyone who wants to explore the 4th dimension.

4D Toys. An interactive toy for 4D children.

4dtoys.com

You can buy it here and is well worth the price imo, especially as it's so cheap. It doesn't take a high spec PC to run it, either.

4D Toys on Steam

4D Toys: A box of toys from the fourth dimension.

store.steampowered.com

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@Tiffany Yes, religion does give hope (it causes a helluva lot of conflict, too), but that's false hope, ie the thing one wishes for never comes true and that's the worst thing of all. Been there and got the t-shirt, it's horrible, the kind of thing I'd wish on my worst enemy.

Of course, there are scenarios where it's probably best that someone remains believing in their religion of whatever flavour eg, christian, muslim etc, say, if someone is dying (there are more, but can't think of them off the top of my head). However, in most instances, I think a person would be better off realising the truth and not hoping fruitlessly for help with desperate problems that never comes because their god doesn't exist. I think that's real mental cruelty and pretty sick to apply it to innocent people.

 

[petermarkley]

feel free to post your video addressing these points

I don’t have a video addressing these points.

The closest is this one, but I explicitly stated at the beginning of this video that “The point of this video is not to prove atheism wrong … simply sharing some core tenets of Christianity …”

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I appreciate your positive words, but the point of discussing these things should be to make progress toward mutual understanding. I don’t believe that’s likely here compared to the risks/costs

Yes, religion does give hope (it causes a helluva lot of conflict, too), but that's false hope, ie the thing one wishes for never comes true and that's the worst thing of all. … it's horrible, the kind of thing I'd wish on my worst enemy.

The Apostle Paul agreed:

1 Corinthians 15:19

If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.