Photos of TFE from Space!

[petermarkley]

I previously posted here about The Final Experiment. Well, turns out that during the TFE trip, NASA's DSCOVR satellite got pictures of Antarctica--which increases the mountain of correlating photographic evidence related to their trip!

I made a video about this, as well as some artwork:

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[Retro]

I'm afraid that you've broken a flat earther here - your warning was very apt.

They're just sitting in a chair staring ahead with a vacant look in their eyes and drooling, unresponsive. There's a mild flicker when I show them a flat earth picture with the firmament, but that's it.

Where do I go to get this FE repaired, or should I just discard?

 

[Retro]

It's nice to see the polar experiment confirmed with the satellite. I've been able to imagine how that part of the earth would look from the direction of the sun over time, but to see the real thing is awesome.

 

[Retro]

@Astro What as an astronomy buff, I think you'll be interested in this.

 

[Astro What]

I don't get too much involved in the flat earth conspiracy arguments. It's like trying to talk to a Trump supporter. No matter how many facts you give them, they choose to ignore them because of their ideology.

 

[Retro]

That's true, there's no reasoning with them and perhaps I should have clarified that I tagged you more from the astronomy angle which I think you'll like.

 

[petermarkley]

Yeah, there were definitely pros and cons to me spending the first 90+ seconds of the video addressing only flat earthers. Sorry if that was a turnoff from actual science interest

 

[Astro What]

Yeah, there were definitely pros and cons to me spending the first 90+ seconds of the video addressing only flat earthers. Sorry if that was a turnoff from actual science interest

I try to avoid anything to deal with that group as it raises my frustration level at sheer stupidity that is becoming more prevalent in society today. Generally when I start a video and that's what it's dealing with, I will find something else to do/watch as I have no real interest in trying to see yet someone else disprove what should be apparent by facts to all.
And TFE was designed to target that very group.
And it succeeded in getting them riled up as now they are trying to disprove factual science, with some devolving into using theology. This might be a good topic for me to get started on ideology central in the religious ideology section about how frequently it can go against facts we can all prove and how people still believe.

 

[petermarkley]

It was evident before TFE, but now blatantly undeniable: flat earth is a mind-control cult. They have dogmas that they place above all rational thought, and this trait largely defines the movement. It is dangerous and evil and I certainly understand your frustration.

I just have a bit of an audience in the flat earth debunking community and that’s been a focus of my content heretofore, so I knew a fair number of my viewers would be flat earthers. I felt like I couldn’t leave it completely unaddressed.

 

[Retro]

This might be a good topic for me to get started on ideology central in the religious ideology section about how frequently it can go against facts we can all prove and how people still believe.

Definitely a good topic to start a thread on.

The main phenomenon that allows this stupid belief to be held is called cognitive dissonance, where two opposing ideas are held at once. Imagine the scenario where our flat earther knows that 2+2=4 and also that 2+2=5. How this crazy scenario happens I don't know, but it's common among people like this and almost impossible to break as they doggedly hang on to their beliefs for dear life.

Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[petermarkley]

The insidious thing is that this particular cult developed some very hardcore projection techniques in its rhetoric. They will usually accuse globers of “Dunning Kruger” or “cognitive dissonance” before the glober can say it about them. They also call us liars and members of a cult. Every single charge is actually a confession or a self-report, and the gaslighting is thicker than butter. It’s disgusting.

But one result of that is, it’s completely ineffective to highlight these problems verbally to them. They’ll just throw it back in your face.

 

[Retro]

The insidious thing is that this particular cult developed some very hardcore projection techniques in its rhetoric. They will usually accuse globers of “Dunning Kruger” or “cognitive dissonance” before the glober can say it about them. They also call us liars and members of a cult. Every single charge is actually a confession or a self-report, and the gaslighting is thicker than butter. It’s disgusting.

But one result of that is, it’s completely ineffective to highlight these problems verbally to them. They’ll just throw it back in your face.

Or in other words, they have a retort for everything. Infuriating.

It's ironic how clever they can be at twisting the truth to try and justify a false and very stupid narrative.

btw, I get why the term "glober" exists to be the opposite of flat earther, but I don't consider myself a "glober" as the term has a cultish connotation to it. Not really sure what term to use for a non flat earther. Sane person, maybe?

 

[petermarkley]

LOL Yes, Michael Toon often says “normal people” instead of “globers.” But if I’m just trying to communicate without taking a dig at flat earthers (however deserved) I often say “globers.”

It's ironic how clever they can be at twisting the truth to try and justify a false and very stupid narrative.

That’s why I say it’s dangerous and evil. It is the most overtly and shockingly dishonest cult belief I have probably ever encountered.

 

[Retro]

You know, talking about how dishonest they are, reminds me of a flat earth Facebook group that I joined many projected moons ago, long before NZ existed. I could never be quite sure, but I think it was the group belonging to the original flat earth society from 1800 and something which was public at the time, so I could find it with a simple search.

Anyway, at the time, there was a news story about some asteroid that was coming close to earth that was photographed by telescopes. Now, as you know, flerfs don't believe in space or planets (and you know the moon is a projection* onto the divine fermanent, right?) so I trolled them. I made what would be a perfectly normal, polite post anywhere else about this asteroid coming in from deep space, swinging past our planets and coming close to earth and how interesting this all was. I even obligingly posted a picture of it.

Amazingly, I got a couple of likes and a few positive responses at first. Say whut?! However, they soon turned on me saying space and planets didn't exist bla bla bla and to educate myself from their "reference" materials which were on the flerf website that they linked to. And that's it, they just shut down. Regardless of what I said next, they referred me to their garbage "reference" materials. Even when I made future posts, challenging aspects of FE, all they ever did was refer me to their fucking "reference" materials and refuse to engage. I was surprised I wasn't kicked out in fact.

A while later the group set itself to secret so could no longer be discovered publicly and I do wonder if I had something to do with that. There wasn't all that much activity in that group and I eventually grew bored of their madness, so left it. Seriously, that group was literally looking down the rabbit hole of insanity.

*Exam questions later. Please prepare.

 

[Astro What]

Yeah, there were definitely pros and cons to me spending the first 90+ seconds of the video addressing only flat earthers. Sorry if that was a turnoff from actual science interest

It's sad that people have to do this, but the entire pursuit was targeted at trying to show the flat earth believers that facts show different. And I knew when I first read about it that after the video disproved one of their big points that they would then start trying to explain it away.
But I learned long ago there is a segment that are so bought into their ideology that no amount of factual evidence will really sway them.
I've read quite a bit already about TFE (used to gird for battle with flat earthers and was interested in TFE at first) and have to give kudos to the gentleman for going to that extreme to disprove bad "science". But since I already know that the earth is spherical I tend not to pay much attention to that type of stuff now. And the main reason is I don't need it proven to me, and I've quit trying to cast pearls of knowledge before the flat earthers.

 

[Astro What]

Definitely a good topic to start a thread on.

It led me to create an entire category about it. I honestly had not thought how one's ideology could affect scientific pursuits.

 

[Astro What]

That’s why I say it’s dangerous and evil. It is the most overtly and shockingly dishonest cult belief I have probably ever encountered.

That applies to many who let their personal belief system (ideology) affect their outlook on life.

Got a quick thread up about this and maybe it will get some traction.

Ideology can easily impact scientific fact

A classic example recently occurred involving those that are firm believers in the Flat Earth ideology. Recently The Final Experiment was recently completed....

ideologycentral.com