The Trump downfall thread
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Nooo, don't be silly Geffers!
I've linked to the article which reports on Trump supporters who do doxxing and the like as reported in the article, so you can see that I'm saying it in the context of that. Perhaps I could have written it more explicitely rather than implicitely for clarity, like this:
Trump supporters who do these things are as big scumbags as he is.
Waddya think?
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Reading the quote below, I believe now, more than ever, that if Trump returns to power, he will just hand Ukraine to Putin on a plate.
@Geffers How do you support someone who would do this? I'd really like to understand this. This is on top of all the other hard evidence of wrongdoing that I showed you in post 437. Seriously, how do you still support someone like this? You can't just brush it off as everyone is out to get him and hence are stitching him up. No, he's incriminating himself with hard evidence.
uk.news.yahoo.com
@Geffers How do you support someone who would do this? I'd really like to understand this. This is on top of all the other hard evidence of wrongdoing that I showed you in post 437. Seriously, how do you still support someone like this? You can't just brush it off as everyone is out to get him and hence are stitching him up. No, he's incriminating himself with hard evidence.
Trump boasts about his relationship with Putin saying he was ‘the apple of his eye’
‘Putin would’ve never gotten into Ukraine, but that’s just on my relationship with him,’ former president said during his appearance on Fox Business’ Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show
Reading the quote below, I believe now, more than ever, that if Trump returns to power, he will just hand Ukraine to Putin on a plate.
@Geffers How do you support someone who would do this? I'd really like to understand this. This is on top of all the other hard evidence of wrongdoing that I showed you in post 437. Seriously, how do you still support someone like this? You can't just brush it off as everyone is out to get him and hence are stitching him up. No, he's incriminating himself with hard evidence.
Trump boasts about his relationship with Putin saying he was ‘the apple of his eye’
‘Putin would’ve never gotten into Ukraine, but that’s just on my relationship with him,’ former president said during his appearance on Fox Business’ Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show
This guy is a walking talking Menace to democracy and the rule of law. I mean, the rule of law is unfortunately quite 'bendy' at times, but with the likes of trump at the helm? law and order will be trampled and made a mockery of.
I believe that Trump is a disaster waiting to happen, make no mistake, he is going to bed with Russia. Frightening.
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He's acting more like a mafia boss with his threats and should be nailed for this, too. The article suggests that he may be crossing the line with this behaviour, I say he's definitely crossing it and should be stopped from putting the targets of his tirades of threats and intimidation in danger. Perhaps just put him on remand for this pronto as nothing else is likely to shut him up, even if this behaviour makes these cases against him even stronger.
uk.news.yahoo.com
Another article on this from a different angle.
uk.news.yahoo.com
@Geffers do you still support this man when you can see this criminal behaviour - and on top of all the other things he's done (with hard evidence directly from him) that I've described and more. Silly me, of course you do.
Trump attacks on judges are ‘crossing the line’. Will he be punished?
The former president’s behaviour would pose serious legal perils for a normal defendant – but Donald Trump is no normal defendant. Josh Marcus reports
Another article on this from a different angle.
Trump can’t help himself: Experts warn ex-president is going to Truth Social himself into trouble
Ex-president could violate protective order or trigger a new one, writes John Bowden
@Geffers do you still support this man when you can see this criminal behaviour - and on top of all the other things he's done (with hard evidence directly from him) that I've described and more. Silly me, of course you do.
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I was having a conversation the other day about his chances of re-election: I think they're pretty low and here's why. Note that this is my opinion based on what I've seen.
I wish it was zero, as he's such a threat to democracy and the world, but alas it's not.
I think he hasn't got much chance for the following reasons:
I believe that if he gets into power a second time, the following will happen:
Firstly, he will immediately pardon himself of all charges, ie won't be accountable for his criminal actions.
The next two, I'm not sure which will come first, but I believe they will definitely happen:
I wish it was zero, as he's such a threat to democracy and the world, but alas it's not.
I think he hasn't got much chance for the following reasons:
- At his first election in 2016, he actually lost the popular vote to Hilary Clinton, so should have never been president in the first place. Now, in a normal election, that odd Electoral College system that they've got in America would simply reflect the majority of votes, in this case, Clinton's. Unfortunately, he somehow managed to get enough college electors to turn, or replaced them that he "won" instead. I really can't remember the details off the top of my head, but a quick Google will reveal exactly what happened.
- He flat-out lost the 2020 election, despite his consistent and constant lies otherwise and millions of people believing them. The margin wasn't huge alas, but Biden definitely won. If anyone wants to challenge this fact and be taken seriously, then please present some hard evidence to support that claim. We both know that one can't do that since there's no evidence to support this allegation. To date, Trump launched around 60 lawsuits (a very large number) alleging rigged elections in the various states, some with Republican judges that he appointed presiding over them, ie "his mates", but all of them fell flat on their faces since no evidence has ever been presented. There's no conspiracy against him here.
- Trump is the head of his cult, which is all about him, and his fanatical "base" will all vote for him, regardless of what he's done or will do. Note that there are many Republican voters who don't fall into this category and likely won't vote for him, having seen such damning evidence about him and his general behaviour.
- Some of those charges are gonna stick, especially the Georgia one, so he's likely to end up in jail. I'd like to see people voting for president someone sitting in jail, a convicted criminal. The mind boggles at the thought.
- "Regular" people, ie those with no strong party preferences, swing voters and certainly Democrat voters aren't going to vote for him. They are in the majority, but unfortunately, this majority isn't big enough to guarantee a Democrat win, especially if the voter turnout isn't large.
- This is why it's critical that the threat of a second Trump presidency be neutralised in any way possible. I suspect that this may happen, but have no evidence about this either way, so it's pure conjecture from me.
I believe that if he gets into power a second time, the following will happen:
Firstly, he will immediately pardon himself of all charges, ie won't be accountable for his criminal actions.
The next two, I'm not sure which will come first, but I believe they will definitely happen:
- Trump will try to get his presidency extended beyond the two term limit. He "joked" about trying this near the start of his first term. Believe me, he wasn't joking and if he succeeds then America and the world will have a dictator on their hands and hence a real problem.
- He'll hand Ukraine to Putin on a plate, a travesty so large that I don't have words to describe it.
Their behavior is unbecoming of a Catholic and paints them in a very... different... light. I wonder if they even go to church still.
I don't believe any politician is a true believer, whatever his or her religion might be.
...and as far as Trump is concerned, his gods are Power, Corruption, and Deceit.
On another note, recall what he said about his daughter Tiffany? It is sickening, reeking of incest, if only 'thought incest'.
Disgusting does not begin to describe it.
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...and as far as Trump is concerned, his gods are Power, Corruption, and Deceit.
On another note, recall what he said about his daughter Tiffany? It is sickening, reeking of incest, if only 'thought incest'.
Disgusting does not begin to describe it.
Donald Trump talked about his daughter's breasts
The comment was made during a 1994 interview on the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous with his then-wife Marla Maples.
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Yup, he's an incestuous pervert on top of everything. If this doesn't put his faithful disciples off, nothing will.
The danger of Trump becoming president again has not been lost on the EU, either:
European diplomats ‘terrified’ at prospect of Trump winning in 2024, report says
Trump is neck-and-neck with Biden in early opinion polls
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Stopping Trump dead in his tracks regardless of his bloody popularity among his cult "base" would be the holy grail. Let's all hope that this has strong enough teeth to do it. Note that this is coming from conservative scholars, so no claiming that it's a "conspiracy from the woke left" or other such rubbish.
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Here's an excellent overview of the various phases of Trump's attempted coup of democracy to grab power. It's really quite shocking when you see the lengths this man will go to. Someone of his age and wealth should be winding down and taking it easy with fun activities, hobbies etc, not trying to fuck over a country in his lust for power. WTF is wrong with him? He's an extreme narcissist for sure and likely a few other things too to be behaving like this.
As you can see, the only one trying to rig the elections is Trump himself. As usual, with all perpetrators, he tries to gaslight his victims, in this case the whole of America, into thinking that they are somehow doing the subverting and that he's the victim on behalf of his faithful cult followers. Concerningly, this strategy works on millions of gullible people and it's very hard to break the spell once it has taken hold. I see this first hand, too.
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As you can see, the only one trying to rig the elections is Trump himself. As usual, with all perpetrators, he tries to gaslight his victims, in this case the whole of America, into thinking that they are somehow doing the subverting and that he's the victim on behalf of his faithful cult followers. Concerningly, this strategy works on millions of gullible people and it's very hard to break the spell once it has taken hold. I see this first hand, too.
Trump’s coup continues. It will soon enter its fourth phase | Robert Reich
Trump has been engaged in a several-years-long attempt to undermine the institutions of the US government and it shows no sign of abating
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How did he fuck over the Country during 2016 to 2020? Biden has managed that in less than half the time.
He started no wars, missiles stopped flying from NK.
Refused his salary for 4 years donating to opioid addictions, covid relief, national parks etc (Others could have done so but didn't)
Signed better deal with Canada and Mexico - more beneficial to US
Signed first step act for Prison Reform
Restored funding for historically black colleges
Strengthened the Southern border thereby preventing what is now a tragic death count from opioids
Launched a mission to decriminalise homosexuality where is is still illegal
Lowered prescription drug charges
Repatriated hostages from North Korea
Complimented by South Korea on peace talks with North Korea
Arranged for a peace deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia
Prior to covid hitting record employment of women, blacks, Latinos and disabled.
Where was the 'fuck up'?
Before he became a politician most celebrities loved him.
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I never liked when H. Clinton called Republicans deplorable's. I didn't like when George Bush in a 911 speech called American Extremists like foreign terrorists. * I do understand the issues with domestic terrorism. Name calling isn't helpful and it gives license to people to do the same, to do it for shock value and internet notoriety and to be remembered. The American people remember a lot and it doesn't take the internet to remind us that we are so divided. Those are just two examples where name calling is used against a group of people and not just calling out one person. Does America have issues, OMG, yes we do, but until people start listening to each other and put their agendas into perspective, we will continue to one up each other from republican party to the democrat party in ways that constantly keep a divisive barrier that can't heal.
I'm very concerned about the level of judicial heat that's being directed towards Trump and his staff under him in this recent indictment. This should concern all Americans no matter what party you affiliate with.
I'm very concerned about the level of judicial heat that's being directed towards Trump and his staff under him in this recent indictment. This should concern all Americans no matter what party you affiliate with.
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Tiffs, I get where you're coming from with the name calling, because it gives the other side an excuse to target that rather than be put on the spot for their wrongdoing and hence dodge the question. I call carefully wording things so that the guilty party finds it hard to wriggle off the hook of giving a straight answer, an "excuse remover". And it does work too, depending on how evasive the person is.
If I was in politics, I would never call a whole group of people "deplorables" even if I thought they were. Heck, I even tend not to do it as an average Joe on here and I've got much more freedom to do it.
If I was in politics, I would never call a whole group of people "deplorables" even if I thought they were. Heck, I even tend not to do it as an average Joe on here and I've got much more freedom to do it.
I don't quite understand what you mean by that. Not challenging, just clarifying.
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Tiffs, I get where you're coming from with the name calling, because it gives the other side an excuse to target that rather than be put on the spot for their wrongdoing and hence dodge the question. I call carefully wording things so that the guilty party finds it hard to wriggle off the hook of giving a straight answer, an "excuse remover". And it does work too, depending on how evasive the person is.
If I was in politics, I would never call a whole group of people "deplorables" even if I thought they were. Heck, I even tend not to do it as an average Jo on here and I've got much more freedom to do it.
I don't quite understand what you mean by that. Not challenging, just clarifying.
No prob....
....what I mean by that is America has never seen this high level extreme attention on one person, a former POTUS, and everyone that either worked for him or represented him is also lawfully in peril. The ugly part of it too, is once the judicial system, both federal, state or local starts lawsuits like this, then this will become a common place practice with both parties. It keeps this at the top of the news cycle constantly when there are other very important issues or events that deserve attention, like for example the people in Maui really need to be helped and their stories need to be heard and told. Yeah, politics is ugly and the voting public deserves respect from politicians no matter what side of the political spectrum they are on. It makes it really hard to have political conversations with people nowadays because you never know when you might hit a nerve....and that's the last thing I ever want to do. I mainly just want to listen, learn and understand. It makes for a better voter when you get the whole picture of both constituencies.
Good point on the name calling as it is a distraction from taking ownership of an issue, agreed.
Tonight is the first Republican debates. Trump won't be there, citing he doesn't have to be because he's ahead. This will be an interesting debate that will give the other candidates a chance to be heard for the first time.
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Well, Trump has brought all these lawsuits upon himself with all these illegal activities and general corruption and he just loves that limelight, doesn't he?
Unfortunately, it's true that important things like the Maui disaster end up getting pushed to one side for sensationalist stuff like this though and it's always been like this.
I think that remains to be seen. If there's nothing to sue for, then these lawsuits won't happen.
Unfortunately, it's true that important things like the Maui disaster end up getting pushed to one side for sensationalist stuff like this though and it's always been like this.
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Trump is certainly using all of this attention to what he thinks gives him an advantage over other candidates and greater visibility to his constituency and others on the fence about him. I'm not even sure the polling is legit with Trump being ahead "by a lot"? It wasn't too long ago that the polling was showing there was going to be a red wave tsunami, instead the mid-terms were just meh. Never the results that the polling data was promising. I've lived long enough to see how all of this works with the media and to only count on the results when they are final.
I suppose we all will see what the juries will decide in Trump's lawsuits whether he's guilty or not? At least all of this can be put to rest in 2024 at some point so America can move on from this divisive albatross.
Maui is heart breaking. The more news that I see on it, the more questions I have and filled with so many emotions. Very sad.
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Tiffs, I'm watching the coverage on CNN right now following his visit to the dump that's the Fulton county Jail as I write this. His plane has just touched down, in fact.
I love the media circus; such great entertainment! And of historic significance, especially.
Break out the popcorn!
I love the media circus; such great entertainment! And of historic significance, especially.
Break out the popcorn!
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Here's Trump's Fulton county jail mugshot in all its glory! The picture has been given reference P01135809, his inmate number. He would literally be sitting in a Fulton county jail cell right now if he hadn't paid the bail charge.
Man, he looks pissed!
For all his billions of dollars in wealth and influence, he's going down for his crimes and he knows it. For all his bluster about how these 4 indictments are making him more popular with Republicans, which does seem to be the case weirdly, the law process is slowly tightening its noose around his neck with the inevitable end result of a jail term and that fetching orange jump suit. At his age, 77, he may never get out alive, either. Truly a busted flush.
Here's the background to it:
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Man, he looks pissed!
For all his billions of dollars in wealth and influence, he's going down for his crimes and he knows it. For all his bluster about how these 4 indictments are making him more popular with Republicans, which does seem to be the case weirdly, the law process is slowly tightening its noose around his neck with the inevitable end result of a jail term and that fetching orange jump suit. At his age, 77, he may never get out alive, either. Truly a busted flush.Here's the background to it:
‘Travesty of Justice’: Trump Seethes After Surrendering in Georgia
Joe Raedle/Getty ImagesDonald Trump made history again on Thursday, becoming the first former American president to get booked in jail and undergo the embarrassing process of having his mugshot taken—just like any other citizen charged with a crime.At roughly 7:30 p.m., Trump was formally logged...
All this calls for a happy celebration, but I have lived long enough to "believe it when I see it".Here's Trump's Fulton county jail mugshot in all its glory! The picture has been given reference P01135809, his inmate number. He would literally be sitting in a Fulton county jail cell right now if he hadn't paid the bail charge.
Man, he looks pissed!
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Here's the background to it:
‘Travesty of Justice’: Trump Seethes After Surrendering in Georgia
Joe Raedle/Getty ImagesDonald Trump made history again on Thursday, becoming the first former American president to get booked in jail and undergo the embarrassing process of having his mugshot taken—just like any other citizen charged with a crime.At roughly 7:30 p.m., Trump was formally logged...
Let's see him in that fetching orange suit, as you said, let's see him in it first.
I am sure Donny ain't a happy bunny now. Especially satisfying is the fact that the DA is a black woman, oh I bet that galls him no end; and the beautiful thing about it? He can't do a thing about it. Great stuff.
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Here's someones analysis, ie opinion, of why Trump pulled that face for his mugshot:
Well, thats one person's view of it and it could well be Trump's intention. My reaction when I first saw it? "Eeww, gross! wtf is that?" I think it's a really off-putting picture and to me, he looks mightily pissed off as I said in post 472, not powerful in any way.
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Well, thats one person's view of it and it could well be Trump's intention. My reaction when I first saw it? "Eeww, gross! wtf is that?" I think it's a really off-putting picture and to me, he looks mightily pissed off as I said in post 472, not powerful in any way.
Maggie Haberman Reveals Why Trump Pulled That Face During His Mug Shot
The former president's scowl was intended to send a specific message.
I agree. Menacing? Not at all. Pissed off? Yes! To me it looks like he tried to look menacing, tried, but failed.Here's someones analysis, ie opinion, of why Trump pulled that face for his mugshot:
Well, thats one person's view of it and it could well be Trump's intention. My reaction when I first saw it? "Eeww, gross! wtf is that?" I think it's a really off-putting picture and to me, he looks mightily pissed off as I said in post 472, not powerful in any way.
Maggie Haberman Reveals Why Trump Pulled That Face During His Mug Shot
The former president's scowl was intended to send a specific message.
I mean, he has his bloody mug shot taken for heaven's sake, he is not in the driving seat exactly.
He knows it and that's why he is pissed off. Whom is he trying to menace anyway? It is a phony posture, certainly not a menacing one.
He looks like a man who had a lot of plastic surgery done on his face, that's all.
