Harris v Trump: the American presidential election (05 November 2024)

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Here's David Pakman's view on why Trump won which I think is food for thought. Personally, I think it boils down to the glass ceiling of mysogeny and racism - a woman of colour running the country is completely untenable for them, regardless of merit, especially the maga crowd. Morons. Yes, I think it's this pathetic.

I think Kamala ran a good campaign. Could have been better in places, sure, but still a really good one and she totally destroyed Trump in the debate. Trump's on the other hand, was a debacle from start to finish, making it even more of a travesty that he won and won by such a big margin.

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I saw Harris's speech yesterday and also saw Biden's today. Both speeches were positive. I especially appreciated Biden's comment in his speech this morning.

From Biden's Rose Garden speech 11-7-24
Campaigns are contests of competing visions. The country chooses one or the other. We accept the choice the country made. I’ve said many times you can’t love your country only when you win. You can’t love your neighbor only when you agree.
 

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What was I saying about Trump and Putin being tight? Now Putin's praising Trump for winning as a "couragous man" and this can't be good, especially for Ukraine.

Watch Trump fawn grotesquely and endlessly over him now and do Putin's bidding. Sickening. 🤮

Vladimir Putin has congratulated Donald Trump on his election victory, calling him a "courageous man".

Speaking at an event in the Russian city of Sochi, the Russian president said that Trump was "hounded from all sides" during his first term in the White House.

Putin also said that Trump's claim that he can help end the war in Ukraine "deserves attention at least".

During his campaign, Donald Trump repeatedly said he could end the war “in a day” but has never elaborated on how that could happen.

 

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Personally, I think it boils down to the glass ceiling of mysogeny and racism - a woman of colour running the country is completely untenable for them, regardless of merit, especially the maga crowd. Morons. Yes, I think it's this pathetic.
Really it's more economy than anything. The inflationary period got blamed on Biden, even though the whole world was impacted by it.
It didn't help that Kamala said on The View when asked if she would have done anything different than Biden she said "nothing". It was her time to differentiate herself from what the people were not happy with and she failed sorely.

The people are going to quickly realize that they bought a pig in a poke. All his bluster will be shown to be simply hot air. And the promises of his tariffs solving the economy are will quickly be seen for what they are, price increases for the American People. It will set up a blue wave in the mid-terms and for the last 2 years Trump will not be able to engage in many of his plans except by executive order, which can be overturned.
The GOP also did the people a big favor in the long run with their pushing for the invalidation of the Chevron Doctrine. Now the Democrats can do the court cherry picking routine that the GOP was doing when any of the sycophants in government departments (FDA, etc) try to force their rule changes on the public. Simply file a lawsuit in a friendly court and then let it wind it's way up to the Supreme Court. By the time it reaches there, Trump will be out of office in most cases, if he hasn't been removed from office before the 2028 election.
 

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Really it's more economy than anything. The inflationary period got blamed on Biden, even though the whole world was impacted by it.
It didn't help that Kamala said on The View when asked if she would have done anything different than Biden she said "nothing". It was her time to differentiate herself from what the people were not happy with and she failed sorely.
Yes, they were bothered by the economy, but apart from those gaffs (real facepalmers, agreed), she did address the issue multiple times in her rallies and it was reported on, but still they believed Trump instead of her despite seeing with their very own eyes what kind of a horrible man he is and his constant lies, including about the economy. So stupid, a collective IQ of 10.

Also, I noticed how the lion's share of the election coverage concerned Trump one way or the other, giving him endless publicity, while she was very much a "second", which I feel were significant factors in her losing. I'm including so-called "lefty" outlets like CNN, The Guardian, BBC etc, all of them really, in this. I don't think they're so much lefty as neutral.

Even when the articles were heavily critical of Trump, fact checking, pointing out awful lies etc, it's all publicity which put him front and centre of people's minds and had them focusing on what he said rather than Kamala. Why did they do that? Because bad news sells and he's so much more sensationalist with his fake grievances and lies than - heaven forbid! - a woman and one of colour at that, with a happy message, smiling to people and explaining how things would be better and brighter with her in charge. It's really sad how people went for Trump like a moth to a flame, or is a fly to shit a better analogy? I wonder if she'd have done better just playing his game by constantly criticising, belittling him and pointing out his constant lies. We'll never know now.

So yes, I understand that when I put it all down to misogyny and racism that's a bit simplistic, but I think it was a much bigger factor than is being let on and likely made for an impenetrable ceiling for Kamala, bigger than all the other factors put together. I don't normally like politicians, but I found myself really liking her and Biden was ok as well. So, of course, we got the dangerous narcissistic psychopath instead. :mad: It's not that different to when the fools in the UK voted for brexit in 2016. Now look where we are and Putin's loving it.

The people are going to quickly realize that they bought a pig in a poke...
I sure hope so, but wouldn't hold my breath as they're likely to just excuse the problems away one way or another rather than addressing the elephant in the room and admitting that they were wrong. That's exactly what's happening with brexit. "It's the implementation that's bad and is all due to those terrible tories, not brexit itself, see?" :rolleyes: No, morons, it's brexit itself that's inherently bad and causing these problems as Remainers warned you over and over again.

I want to be wrong and you right on this one, I really do. Fingers crossed. I'll be ready with the "I told you so" to shove down their throats.

if he hasn't been removed from office before the 2028 election.
Now, wouldn't that be the best?! Can't see it happening alas, unless, perhaps he becomes too senile to hold on to office any longer and power-hungry Vance helps to ease him out, kicking and screaming like a toddler. Again, we can but wait and see.

Chevron Doctrine? Had to look that up! :) Interesting. Here's a detailed explanation for others who don't know:



Finally, right now I'm playing this calming music to cool me down a bit. I just wanted the world to be shot of this piece of shit once and for all and for him to face justice, but now that will never happen. Shit floats, huh?


If you want to feel even more down about this, just play this song:
 

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The UK perspective on Trump's win and how it hits us financially, which it will, significantly, due to his upcoming tariffs. His win is a disaster from every angle. If there's a genuine benefit to Trump's second presidency, then I'd like to see one.

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Well, would you look at that, no sooner does Trump "win" the election than there are massive organised protests againt him.

I don't know how he did it, but I smell a rat with his landslide victory and taking the other two branches of the government too. Think about it, the polls, especially when it's many of them, tend to be in the right ballpark for the results, but here they bore no relation at all to how the election went massively in Trump's favour. Doesn't that seem off to you? Also, remember how just before the election, Trump said that he had a "little secret" about how he was going to win that had Democrats worried. I think this secret could be how he somehow rigged the election in his favour. How, I don't know, but something isn't right. Don't ignore your gut feelings.

Protests against Donald Trump erupted in the US on Saturday as people on both coasts took to the streets in frustration about his re-election.

Thousands of people in major cities including New York City and Seattle demonstrated against the former president and now president-elect amid his threats against reproductive rights and pledges to carry out mass deportations at the start of his upcoming presidency.

 

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I am pretty much sure that the election was secure and there was no massive fraud going on this time like there wasn't in 2020.
It just so happens that the Democrats could not turn out their base and they waited WAY to long to replace Biden on the ticket.
Just another case of a persons ego (Biden) writing checks that he couldn't cash. He clearly stated that he was going ot be a one term President... but that mighty ego stepped in.
 

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Yeah, maybe, I dunno, it just feels weird. I had another frantic Google on this point and couldn't find anything.
 

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First I hear of this and would be a bit of a poke in the eye for Trump, sorta, but ultimately seems a bit pointless. It would also be quite frustrating for Harris to be president for such a short time and then have it yanked away from her. What do you think?

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Here's a forensic analysis of how Harris lost the race by so much even though the margins were slim which makes for depressing reading.

I'm sorry, but I still suspect shenanigans when it was this close and yet Trump won by a landslide. If the overall result was fairly close then perhaps it would have looked ok to me, but not like this. Perhaps one day the truth will come out when it's all too late to do anything about it. Again, it's just a hunch given how deadlocked they were and other things, especially Trump's "secret". Just doesn't sit right with me.

 

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Polls and Pollster pundits have a reliability issue in my opinion and really have very little consequence on determining an election outcome at least for the past eight years in the US. "They" need to rethink how to properly reach people and get accurate information.
 

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Now look at that, just a week later, I'm not the only one who thinks there's something off about the result of this election.

Donations to Kamala Harris’s election campaign are being redirected towards a vote recount effort.

The fine-print on the website ActBlue, a nonprofit fundraising platform for Democrats, suggests funding is being put aside to challenge the veracity of the Nov 5 election in which Donald Trump defeated Ms Harris by a landslide.

 

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First I hear of this and would be a bit of a poke in the eye for Trump, sorta, but ultimately seems a bit pointless. It would also be quite frustrating for Harris to be president for such a short time and then have it yanked away from her. What do you think?

Should this happen, I can already hear poxy trump "commiserating" with Kamala on her short reign....he would milk it for all it is worth, the bastard.
Don't know the American system, but could Harris bring about some radical change, via introducing some law or something, which could not then just be repelled by the nxt president?
Probably not possible. Just my wishful thinking.

Yes, it would be lovely to see her as president, but it would indeed be so very frustrating for her.
To feel what could have been.....
And then it's gone:(.
 

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Now look at that, just a week later, I'm not the only one who thinks there's something off about the result of this election.
I my view a Recount is a must.
It just does not stand to reason: both candidates so close in the polls, and then at the last minute a crushing victory for one of them?
It stinks of trump's hallmarks: Fraud and Corruption.

Remember that infamous Trump-Raffensperger phone call....? Now why would you presume he did not try this again this time round? Making damn sure, the bastard, that this time there would be no trace left!

I say dig deep enough and you find dirt.
I do believe, and obviously doubts are now being expressed, that all was not kosher with this election.
 

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Kamala's big issue was the economy. Even though Biden's policies worked to keep inflation down, the average American was paying a lot more out of pocket than when Trump was in office. And sadly, the core citizen doesn't care about the why, they just look at what they pay now and what they paid then and associate the lower amount with Trump. If Trump had of won in 2020, the situation would have been worse and the people would be even more ticked about how much they had to pay. But trying to explain basic economics to the majority of the populace is a losing proposition. Their eyes start to glaze over. They don't care about the reasons, only the end result. And they have bought into the lies that Trump told them. Well, Sir Trumpty Dumpty has 2 years of the GOP being in full control, so they better actually do something that benefits the populace, or I do see a wave coming in the next mid-terms, and it will be one that washes MAGA out of the House and the Senate.
 

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Should this happen, I can already hear poxy trump "commiserating" with Kamala on her short reign....he would milk it for all it is worth, the bastard.
Don't know the American system, but could Harris bring about some radical change, via introducing some law or something, which could not then just be repelled by the nxt president?
Probably not possible. Just my wishful thinking.

Yes, it would be lovely to see her as president, but it would indeed be so very frustrating for her.
To feel what could have been.....
And then it's gone:(.

Oh, he'd totally take the piss. One of his shitty sons already took the piss out of Ukraine for getting defunded once Trump's in power. Absolutely disgusting.

That radical change I've seen discussed in various news articles. While Biden can try to draft laws to provide some protection, ultimately anything he does can be dismantled unfortunately. Like in the UK, a future administration can always undo what a previous one has done, for better or for worse. This is why it's good that Biden is pushing through the last $6 billion in aid before it inevitably gets cut off as Trump can't roll that back once it's gone.


I my view a Recount is a must.
It just does not stand to reason: both candidates so close in the polls, and then at the last minute a crushing victory for one of them?
It stinks of trump's hallmarks: Fraud and Corruption.

Remember that infamous Trump-Raffensperger phone call....? Now why would you presume he did not try this again this time round? Making damn sure, the bastard, that this time there would be no trace left!

I say dig deep enough and you find dirt.
I do believe, and obviously doubts are now being expressed, that all was not kosher with this election.

I'd definitely do a recount of the swing states at least. There were 7 of them and with such close margins in the popular vote (which he "won" too btw), Trump took all of them? Really? Far too unlikely. 3 or 4 maybe, but not the whole lots. Nah, definitely dodgy.

His comment about it's who counts the votes is very telling. I don't understand why the spineless Democrats are so willing to take it all lying down when they know even better than us how dodgy this looks. I think perhaps they want to maintain the narrative that US elections are free and fair like they've been claiming all along, even to the detriment of exposing real fraud by Trump and themselves getting into power instead of him.

I get what the political commentators say about coordination and keeping the whole thing a large scale secret which has a lot of merit, but when the result looks so obviously suspicious and under the circumstances that Trump has created, it should be investigated further, no ifs or buts.

Kosher it was not!
 

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In post 32, I said:

I don't know how he did it, but I smell a rat with his landslide victory and taking the other two branches of the government too. Think about it, the polls, especially when it's many of them, tend to be in the right ballpark for the results, but here they bore no relation at all to how the election went massively in Trump's favour. Doesn't that seem off to you? Also, remember how just before the election, Trump said that he had a "little secret" about how he was going to win that had Democrats worried. I think this secret could be how he somehow rigged the election in his favour. How, I don't know, but something isn't right. Don't ignore your gut feelings.

In post 37, I said:

I'm sorry, but I still suspect shenanigans when it was this close and yet Trump won by a landslide. If the overall result was fairly close then perhaps it would have looked ok to me, but not like this. Perhaps one day the truth will come out when it's all too late to do anything about it. Again, it's just a hunch given how deadlocked they were and other things, especially Trump's "secret". Just doesn't sit right with me.

Indeed, I'm not ignoring my gut feelings and not only has Trump won by a landslide on thin margins, but has taken all three branches of the government giving him unrestricted power to be corrupt like we've never seen before.

You know what this reminds me of? Trump's 2016 "win" where he again won on a razor thin margin, actually losing the popular vote and also the corrupt brexit referendum here in the UK, which also "won" on a thin margin. It's all a bit suspicious how all these wins just happened to be on implausibly thin margins each time and each pulling in the same direction: advantage Putin as all these things weaken the West. Putin plays a long game and I think that's what we're seeing here.

I've now come across this video from Occupy Democrats about this election being rigged and the likely ways that it was done. It also goes into detail about how it could have been done too and things start to look decidedly dodgy. Apparently, Harris's campaign has started taking money for an investigation.

This all sounds great, but I have to temper it with the fact that I've not heard anything about this, the video is now three days old and there's sod all in the news about it, yet we have Kamala's concession speech and Biden humiliating himself by inviting Trump to the oval office for the traditional congratulatory meeting. That was hard to watch, especially since Trump never extended the same courtesy to him, instead banging on and on about how the election was "stolen" and has never conceded it. :rolleyes:

In short, apart from this video, everything I see shows the Democrats rolling over and just going quietly into the night, too weak to challenge this crooked result.

If anyone has evidence of pushback against the result, please do post it here as this video and the protest marches are the only evidence I see of it. I'm not hopeful.

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Ok, doing some frantic Googling has revealed this new BBC video article on the Harris campaign donations. Does look like they're not taking it lying down, so let's see what comes of it. There would certainly be a titanic battle and huge scandal if they did properly push back against this and is something that should happen.

 

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Brand new video from BTC released just a few minutes ago on why there was no fraud. I dunno, when something doesn't feel right, trust your gut. Let's see if that Harris recount fund I talked about above goes anywhere. I'm not holding my breath.

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Ok, doing some frantic Googling has revealed this new BBC video article on the Harris campaign donations. Does look like they're not taking it lying down, so let's see what comes of it. There would certainly be a titanic battle and huge scandal if they did properly push back against this and is something that should happen.

I had a feeling that nothing would come of it due to that radio silence in the media and Trump not pushing back against it.

This new AP News article explains that it's just to cover their debts. I wouldn't give them a penny and would tell them to stop harassing me.

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party’s prodigious fundraising operation raised more than $1 billion in her loss to Donald Trump, but the vice president is still pushing donors for more money after the election.

Democrats are sending persistent appeals to Harris supporters without expressly asking them to cover any potential debts, enticing would-be donors instead with other matters: the Republican president-elect’s picks for his upcoming administration and a handful of pending congressional contests where ballots are still being tallied.

“The Harris campaign certainly spent more than they raised and is now busy trying to fundraise,” said Adrian Hemond, a Democratic strategist from Michigan. He said he was been asked by the campaign after its loss to Trump to help with fundraising.


@Mars you'll want to see this update.
 

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I had a feeling that nothing would come of it due to that radio silence in the media and Trump not pushing back against it.

This new AP News article explains that it's just to cover their debts. I wouldn't give them a penny and would tell them to stop harassing me.



@Mars you'll want to see this update.
ok, read the update, and it smells bad.
So sorry to have to face -yet again- what is always in the back of my suspicious mind, and that is: politics stink!!!!
 

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Maybe the election really wasn't as straight as is made out, ie the only fraudulent election is this one that I've said for a while now looks suspicious. Reputable data scientist Stephen Spoonamore explains why and is calling for a hand recount, but the formal request has to come from Kamala Harris, which I doubt that's gonna happen even though he's contacted her about this. We can only wait and hope.

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