The Trump downfall thread

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I agree with all of that.

This bit is interesting:

He looks like a man who had a lot of plastic surgery done on his face, that's all.

Funny, that had never occurred to me as it's not obvious to me, but it's certainly possible.

Plastic surgery so often leaves a stiff, artificial look that's very unsightly and hence worse than just leaving the face alone with all its imperfections. The obvious exceptions are repairing deformities like a cleft lip, or significant injuries, which is the right place for this kind of surgery.

 

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Looks like most people aren't buying into Trump's lies and rhetoric, so the indictments are hurting his chances of winning the election, especially convictions, while increasing his popularity among his doting Republican "base". Oh dear, he's got problems.

Just think, he might end up in that stinking Fulton county jail... and it really does physically stink according to news reports and is very poorly maintained. Quite notorious in fact.

The fetching orange jumpsuit awaits, Mr Trump.

The indictments against Donald Trump may help him get the Republican presidential nomination, but they’re harming his prospects of winning the general election against President Joe Biden.

That’s among the results of a new poll from Politico Magazine and Ipsos which has revealed that the American people are taking the cases against Mr Trump seriously, with the survey revealing the electorate’s particular focus on the 2020 election subversion proscution brought by the Department of Justice.

The poll also shows that most Americans remain sceptical of Mr Trump’s arguments that the cases against him have no merit and that they’re part of a politically motivated witch hunt and a weaponization of the justice system.

Compared to a previous Ipsos survey from June, the numbers are moving in a negative direction for Mr Trump, specifically regarding the timeline of a trial and whether Mr Trump should be imprisoned if he’s convicted.

New poll spells big trouble for Trump after charges in Georgia case

Half of all Americans say former president should go to prison if convicted in federal election subversion case

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Now the canaries are going to sing - it looks very much like at least some of the 18 other co-defendents are gonna turn on him in a plea deal - and that's bad news for Trump. Trump's problems just keep on compounding and I can't see him getting out of this. He'd have to dodge a massive 91 charges for this to happen which looks pretty much impossible, especially with all that hard evidence against him and people willing to testify against him.

As Donald Trump and his 18 co-defendants in Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ sprawling racketeering case surrendered to jail and negotiated bonds, at least eight of them also filed what became a flurry of legal motions, arguing for their cases to be delayed, moved, or expedited.

But former federal prosecutor Neama Rahmani has some advice for all 18 co-defendants: make a deal—soon.

“Willis doesn’t want to try 19 defendants,” he told The Daily Beast on Friday. “She wants to try Donald Trump, and flip 18 defendants against him.”

During his career as an assistant U.S. attorney, Rahmani, who is now in private practice, put more than 1,000 criminals behind bars, he said. Of those, “I can count on one hand the number of people that I wanted to cooperate, who didn’t cooperate.”

From Trump’s perspective, it’s best if everyone charged alongside him holds the line and forces Willis’ office to take things all the way to trial, Rahmani said. But for the others, the opposite is true. Generally speaking, he said, most criminal defendants play ball with the government because there is “a significant advantage” to doing so.

“And usually, the first to cooperate gets the best deal,” he said.

This thread is called, "The Trump downfall thread" and it's just so apt! Every news article I see about him leads in a downward trajectory. Clearly, money and influence has its limits, especially against the US government which isn't exactly a small player.

Seven of Trump’s Co-Defendants Are Already Rolling the Dice

Photo Illustration by Luis G. Rendon/The Daily Beast/GettyIt’s been a dizzying week in Fulton County Superior Court.As Donald Trump and his 18 co-defendants in Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ sprawling racketeering case surrendered to jail and negotiated bonds, at least eight of...

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[live627]

Clearly, money and influence has its limits, especially against the US government which isn't exactly a small player.

Bless your heart for thinking this .

 

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Bless your heart for thinking this .

If it wasn't true, then the noose wouldn't be tightening around Trump's neck like it is. He's crossed several red lines there and they're gonna make sure to get him for it.

 

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That ugly mugshot has netted Trump a staggering $7.1m in merchandise and counting. Unbelievable. However, it won't help him to evade justice and that's what matters.

That disqualification argument I posted about regarding fomenting the insurrection has real teeth and should finally stop him in his tracks in a few months.

Trump campaign raises $7.1m following historic Georgia mugshot

Merchandise bearing the ex-president's scowling face at his arrest on Thursday is flying off the shelves.

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[Mars]

If it wasn't true, then the noose wouldn't be tightening around Trump's neck like it is. He's crossed several red lines there and they're gonna make sure to get him for it.

This usually happens, in order to save their own skin or at least get a reduced sentence, criminals turn on each other.
Yes, I think the noose is tightening around Trump's ugly neck; should his co-defendants take a plea, it will certainly not help his case; it will only prove, yet again, that 'honor among thieves' is a myth.

 

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Here's a handy summary article on Trump's lies and the facts that refute them.

Trump's drumbeat of lies about the 2020 election keeps getting louder. Here are the facts

With Donald Trump facing felony charges over his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, the former president is flooding the airwaves and his social media platform with distortions, misinformation and unfounded conspiracy theories about his defeat. It's part of a multiyear effort to undermine...

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Donald Trump, the racist:

MSNBC’s Mehdi Hasan called out Donald Trump’s “long history of racism” going back well before he entered politics ― and pointed out how the former president has been “particularly vicious and bigoted” toward Black women.

“So there is a huge irony to the fact that at the center of his many legal troubles right now are three strong Black women,” he said.

It must be truly galling for him. Another reason for him to go down.

Mehdi Hasan Names What ‘Must Be Killing’ Trump About His Legal Battles

The MSNBC host spots a "huge irony" in some of the legal actions involving the former president.

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Trump is really screwed as he's very likely to be convicted of the insurrection case discussed here which will disqualify him from running for president (see article in previous post).

He'll end up spending prison time for this and the other charges and will likely die in jail at his age, unable to extricate himself from it. As I said previously, Trump is a busted flush and it's only a matter of time before it becomes obvious.

According to the prosecution, Trump and his co-conspirators attempted to “overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election by using knowingly false claims of election fraud to obstruct the federal government function by which those results are collected, counted, and certified.”

The indictment uses the phrase “knowingly false” another 32 times, underscoring the allegation that Trump’s various machinations were all part of a scheme to remain in power through intentional trickery and deceit.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/28/opinions/trump-january-6-indictment-2020-election-lubet/index.html

 

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The Republican Accountability Project have created a couple of videos making the point that Trump isn't above the law. Overall they've made around 1200 videos since they began in May 2020 and are doing good work pushing back against Trump's lies. Shame their profile isn't higher as this is the first I've heard of them. Running these videos on Fox News should help with this though.

A conservative group opposed to Donald Trump is putting the former president on blast in a new ad demanding “consequences” for his misdeeds in the White House.

The spot from the Republican Accountability Project, which will run on Fox News in several markets, points out that Trump’s constant lies had many people saying in frustration that “nothing matters.”

Trump told more than 30,000 of them during his four years in office, according to a Washington Post tally.

But the voice-over states it’s not true that nothing matters.

“Because in America, the rule of law still matters,” the voice states. “And that’s why Donald Trump has been charged with 91 felonies in four separate cases for attempting to steal an election, falsifying business records and mishandling classified information.”

'No One Is Above The Law': Republican Group Hits Trump Hard In Damning Fox News Ad

The group will also have a billboard in Times Square showing all 91 felony charges against the former president.

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Another article explaining just how grave the situation is for Trump. The funniest part is that if he gets the longest sentence for every charge, he'll get a combined sentence of 717 years behind bars! Yup, he's gonna die in there and I'd like to see him get voted in and actually try to run the country from the inside of a jail cell. Not gonna happen and he's not gonna pardon himself, either. Once again, he's a busted flush and he knows it hence his increasingly hysterical rhetoric. The only thing he's got going for him are stalling tactics and they're not exactly working for him either. Trump, just plead guilty to everything and save us all a lot of wasted time and money, there's a good chap.

Your fetching orange jumpsuit awaits.

Between his 91 felony counts, Mr Trump faces a total of roughly seven centuries in total jail time, spread between dozens of various charges of differing seriousness. Obviously, Mr Trump is not going to be sealed inside a federal penitentiary for all eternity, but the increasingly wide range of actions for which he is now being prosecuted is slowly chipping away at the likelihood that he will evade the inside of a cell forever.

Here, we take a look at the four prosecutions Mr Trump currently faces, and how each affects his chances of campaigning behind bars next year:

Will Donald Trump go to prison?

Ex-president faces 91 felony counts across four prosecutions

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I love seeing Trump's cronies going down in flames. The sweetest takedown of course, will be the end of level boss, Trump himself, which is gonna take more work, but down he'll go for sure.

Rudy Giuliani's 'life is falling apart' as Trump-related legal woes pile up: NBC reporter

Rudy Giuliani lost his defamation case filed by two Georgia election workers, adding to a growing pile of legal problems.A federal judge sanctioned the former New York City mayor for failing to turn over evidence to the women's attorneys for discovery and ordered him to pay their legal fees in a...

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You can be sure I'll be watching this one.

A judge has ruled that court proceedings against former US President Donald Trump and his co-defendants in their Georgia election fraud case will be televised.

The trial will also be live-streamed on YouTube, Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee also said.

Donald Trump's Georgia case to be livestreamed

The ex-US president is among 19 people charged with a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 vote results.

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One of Trump's crony codefendants just shot himself in the foot by admitting to a crime live on TV! This will make it even harder for Trump to wriggle out of this already rather watertight case.

When host Laura Ingraham asked what his “constitutional” plan was on 6 January 2021 – as Mr Trump and his allies sought to overturn the results of the 2020 election – Mr Eastman admitted that he tried to stop the certification of the election results and wanted then-Vice President Mike Pence to at least halt Congress from certifying them for a week.

“Some people had urged that Vice President Pence simply had power to reject electors whose certification was still pending,” he said.

“I explicitly told Vice President Pence in the Oval Office on January 4, that even though it was an open issue, under the circumstances we had I thought it was the weaker argument, and it would be foolish to exercise such power.

“What I recommended, and I’ve said this repeatedly, is that he accede to requests from more than 100 state legislators in the swing states, to give them a week to try and sort out the impact of what everybody acknowledged was illegality in the conduct of the election.”

His response left many legal experts baffled – as it appeared that the attorney admitted live on air that he was guilty of one of the crimes with which he is charged.

Bradley P. Moss, an attorney specialising in national security, posted a clip of the interview on X/Twitter, saying: “He literally just confessed to the crime.”

Did a Trump co-defendant just confess? John Eastman makes shock admission in TV interview

Controversial attorney is one of the 19 defendants in the sprawling 41-count indictment in Fulton County

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Check out the Twitter clip. I agree that the voice sounds fake, got that impression straight away. The tone is subtly wrong, intonation and the cut outs and other subtle cues all indicate fakery. In fact, it has that quality to it of previous AI generated voices I've heard recently. It's a very good impression, but definitely sounds off.

Would be interesting to see if Trump comments on this. If I was Trump and someone had faked me, I'd make sure that people knew it.

Trump phone interview with right-wing network is so disastrous that people think it was an AI hoax

Real America’s Voice host insisted call was real - while network is said to be investigating behind the scenes

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All of these Trump indictments, once court is in session, will be the spark that sets off people months from now. I'm praying people stay calm and not riot as verdicts are announced.

 

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Here's more on that invalidation of Trump for president via the 14th Amendment, section three. Looks like he's gonna need those Republican cronies that he installed in the Supreme Court to get him off the hook and there's no guarantee that they'll do so. Think, how can he hurt them if they don't bail him out and he goes to prison? It's likely to be a case of good riddance for them, even with bribes that he might offer.

Once again, he's a busted flush and the noose is tightening. That fetching orange jumpsuit awaits you Mr Trump, so why don't you try it on early for size?

Trump May Need Supreme Court To Say His Coup Attempt Does Not Violate Constitution

The 14th Amendment bans insurrectionists from seeking office, and the question of whether Trump can even be on the ballot is likely headed to the high court.

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Here's the full legal reasoning behind it, for the legal eagles amongst us.

The Sweep and Force of Section Three

Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment forbids holding office by former office holders who then participate in insurrection or rebellion. Because of a range

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This video explains how someone as bad as Trump can garner so much support and rise to power, even though it's obvious to any objectve onlooker that he's bad news.

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Even Republicans aren't buying into Trump's rhetoric.

Ex-GOP Lawmaker Shreds Donald Trump’s Latest Joe Biden Spin With 1 Word

David Jolly also highlighted a major difference between the former president and his successor.

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@Geffers please check out the above post as you can see it's not a case of it's all the Democrats out to get Trump. Some on his own side are against him too, so you must ask yourself why.

 

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Unsurprisingly, Trump claims that there's no merit to the 14th Amendment section 3 2024 election disqualification. We'll see who's right soon enough, won't we?

MSN

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[Tiffany]

Unsurprisingly, Trump claims that there's no merit to the 14th Amendment section 3 2024 election disqualification. We'll see who's right soon enough, won't we?

MSN

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There's validation in the premise, however, I believe the key word that's implicit in this paragraph is you have to be found guilty of aiding an insurrection and Trump is yet to be tried on this J6 indictment. If the judicial system finds Trump guilty in a court of law before the primaries, than in my novice opinion, I'd say they may be able to take him off of the ballot, but he has to be convicted by a certain point during the 2024 election period for this to happen and... there has to be a law in place for this and I'm not sure there is, which is why I'm wishy-washy on this. I'm actually still stewing about this though, so don't hold me to my initial thoughts as it's a bit complex issue never before confronted in an election cycle.

The former president's comments come the same day as former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner joined the ranks of several other legal experts, including retired Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe and former conservative federal judge Michael Luttig, in arguing that former President Donald Trump is automatically disqualified from running for office again under the plain text of the 14th Amendment's prohibition on aiding insurrection.

 

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Tiffs, indeed this is precedent setting and I'm no expert either. However, if you check my post 493 above, you'll see that a couple of Republican* legal scholars have said that he's disqualified from holding office again. I think you might be right about him having to be convicted of it first though, as it's one of the indictments against him. Whether the verdict needs to be made by a certain date I don't know.

Note that the text is long, which is why I also linked to the article which explains it in a more digestible form. I downloaded the text for good measure anyway though.

*Hence Trump and Trump's supporters can't claim that it's a Democrat plot to block him like they love to do all the time.

 

[Tiffany]

I love posts with post numbers....lol...thanks for the reference point on the legal aspects discussed by republican legal scholars.

I'll take a more in depth look now at the Sweep and Force of Section 3. Should be interesting.