The Trump downfall thread

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You know, after I posted just now, I had a bit of a read of it and it's actually written in plain language so not hard to understand. However, it's 126 pages long, so I won't be reading it all anytime soon lol. Must admit I don't have that much staying power for legal documents.

 

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This piece of garbage got 22 years for organising the riot. Others have received long jail sentences too.

This is good news as firstly, justice is being done and secondly, it makes it harder for Trump to get off the hook for fomenting the riot.

Ex-Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio jailed for 22 years for Capitol riot

An emotional Enrique Tarrio, 39, tells the court he is "ashamed" of his role in the US Capitol riot.

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[Geffers]

@Geffers please check out the above post as you can see it's not a case of it's all the Democrats out to get Trump. Some on his own side are against him too, so you must ask yourself why.

The political swamp, the status quo. The present Conservatives are more left wing than the Blair government, there is not much to choose between them all. You can see many don't act in the best interest of citizens any more, no matter whether perceived left wing or right.

As for US, there are plenty of images of Obama, Clinton and the Bushes all socialising together. Trump is not a politician, hence why he is followed by so many ordinary Americans.

Geffers

 

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Sorry, don't buy that. First you say that it's all a Democratic plot to bring him down, then when I show you otherwise, you say they're all the same. You can't have it both ways.

Just look at the evidence, it's right there in the constitution, 14th Amendment, section 3, and I saw that insurrection live, as I've mentioned before. He's guilty of the things he's accused of and the evidence comes directly from him as I've pointed out many times now, not some Democrat plotting to undermine him. He's broken the law numerous times over a great many years and it's catching up with him now. The man is a power hungry megalomaniac and cult leader, so must be stopped from doing any more damage.

Again, this is only conversational as neither of us can vote in America anyway, but it would be nice if you could see the truth about Trump.

 

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First lawsuit to block Trump from running starts now and winning it will have huge repercussions for democracy and Trump.

A nonprofit well known as an ethics watchdog in Washington DC has filed what could be the first of many direct efforts to block Donald Trump from serving as president or appearing on the 2024 ballot.

The suit, filed on Wednesday by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), seeks to block Colorado’s elections agency from putting Mr Trump’s name on the ballot in that state. Filed on behalf of six voters in Colorado, the case could be the first part of a nightmare scenario for Republicans in 2024.

Under the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, persons who took an oath of office and later supported or gave “aid” or “comfort” to an insurrection or rebellion against the federal government are banned from holding office.

“If the very fabric of our democracy is to hold, we must ensure that the Constitution is enforced and the same people who attacked our democratic system not be put in charge of it,” CREW president Noah Bookbinder said in a press release.

He added: “We aren’t bringing this case to make a point, we’re bringing it because it is necessary to defend our republic both today and in the future. While it is unprecedented to bring this type of case against a former president, January 6th was an unprecedented attack that is exactly the kind of event the framers of the 14th Amendment wanted to build protections in case of. You don’t break the glass unless there’s an emergency.”

DC ethics watchdog files first major suit to block Trump from appearing on 2024 ballot

Colorado suit could well be first of many suits seeking to block Trump from appearing on the ballot

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Ok, one down lots to go.

Trump suffers loss in second E Jean Carroll defamation case

A judge has ruled that Donald Trump is liable for defaming the writer who accused him of rape.

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This video might help explain how Trump manages to dupe so many people with his constant lies.

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The Trump news just keeps right on coming nowadays - and it's all in the noose tightening category. I don't even post about every development, either. I don't know how he sleeps at night.

The latest is bad news for him as his co-defendants could flip on him by copping a plea deal, which could sink him in no time.

Mark Meadows' latest court flop increases the pressure facing the co-defendants charged alongside Donald Trump in the Georgia election interference case to flip on the former president and cooperate with the prosecution, one former federal prosecutor told Insider.

In a Friday ruling, US District Court Judge Steve Jones denied Meadows' bid to move the prosecution against him to federal court.

In his ruling, Jones argued that when Meadows urged Georgia's secretary of state to "find" enough votes to declare Trump the winner of the state in the 2020 election, his behavior fell outside the scope of his official duties of White House chief of staff and, thus, the prosecution against him should continue in Georgia state court.

"Meadows's participation on the January 2, 2021, call was political in nature and involved the President's private litigation, neither of which are related to the scope of the Office of White House Chief of Staff," Jones wrote in his ruling, which Meadows' legal team promptly appealed.

Judge rejects Mark Meadows' bid to move Georgia case to federal court, ramping up pressure on him and other co-defendants to flip on Trump

One legal expert told Insider the co-defendants in the Georgia election interference case against Donald Trump are facing a prisoner's dillemma.

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More noose tightening for our Donald, this time in the form of running out of money to fight his legal battles. Thing is, can't he just take the money from his personal fortune, or doesn't he really have all that much in the bank? I dunno.

Might be best just to cop a plea deal, Donny.

As his legal peril intensifies, so do Donald Trump’s legal fees. Most of these lawyer charges have been paid by draining funds from his political action committee (PAC), Save America, and shifting funds from Trump-supporting Super PACs.

Save America, the leadership PAC founded by former President Donald Trump, has less than $4 million cash on hand, after siphoning over $101 million to pay legal fees for Trump and his allies since the beginning of 2022, reports the New York Times.

Mid-year tax filings for PACs provide awareness about presidential campaign funding and how those funds are being used. In Save America’s case, money that could be going to necessary campaign needs or political work, is being spent overwhelmingly on the former president’s and his associates’ pending legal cases.

According to its mid-year Federal Election Commission (FEC) filing, the Save America PAC has spent approximately $25 million in the first half of 2023, $21.6 million of that went to legal fees.

Trump’s Donor Money Just Plummeted by $101 Million — What Happens to Election Funds If They Go Negative?

As his legal peril intensifies, so do Donald Trump's legal fees. Most of these lawyer charges have been paid by draining funds from his political action committee (PAC), Save America, and shifting...

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Oh, this is pathetic: they've got no evidence of wrongdoing. Just how desperate can they be?

House of Representatives to open Biden impeachment inquiry, Kevin McCarthy says

Senior Republican Kevin McCarthy says the inquiry will investigate allegations of abuse of power.

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[Tiffany]

McCarthy is the weakest SOTH ever; sold his soul years ago. This is being done only to satisfy the Republican constituency and will go no where but to create news drama for the rest of the Americans that don't care because they are either starving or holding down three jobs just trying to survive this explosive inflationary economy.

 

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I've been saying for a long time now that Trump is Putin's puppet, but it turns out to be much worse than that, spanning decades, back to the 1970s as German newspaper Bild has revealed. Note, this isn't an American Democrat making these revelations, but a European newspaper reporting from declassified files, so trying to brush it off as mere political partisanship won't fly.

This man is an even worse threat to democracy than I realised and must be stopped from being president again.

It’s time to tell the truth about Trump: he’s been an agent of organized crime and foreign governments for decades. And he’s continuing his work for Putin, Xi, Erdogan, and MBS — undermining Americans’ faith in democracy — to this day.

Czechoslovakia’s Státní bezpečnost (StB) first started paying attention to Trump back in 1977, as documented by the German newspaper Bild when the StB’s files were declassified, because Trump married Czech model Ivana Zelnickova, his first wife, recently buried on his golf course in New Jersey.

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@Geffers I know you're likely to reject this out of hand, but please do read it as it's serious food for thought and might just change your opinion of him one day.

 

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Bloody hell, those revelations just keep on coming. Remember that I said if Trump got in for a second term he'd try to hold on to power for longer, maybe permanently? It's not so far-fetched. Looks like the Trump conspiracy goes down a far deeper rabbit hole than we realised.

If Trump was truly planning not just to hang onto the presidency but to concurrently seize every lever of power in Washington — the way coups conducted from “inside of government” (like Putin and Orbán did) typically happen — he’d need some help, particularly from the military and the senior levels of federal law enforcement. So let’s start there.

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Poor Trump is becoming increasingly unhinged. He's just made a confession on live radio that he broke the law regarding the classified documents case, bless. I really can't see him getting off this particular hook, can you?

“I'm allowed to have these documents, I'm allowed to take these documents – classified or not classified. And frankly, when I have them, they become unclassified. People think you have to go through a ritual – you don't, at least in my opinion, you don't,” Mr Trump added.

In September of last year, Mr Trump told Sean Hannity of Fox News that he was able to declassify documents while in office “even by thinking about it”.

“There doesn’t have to be a process, as I understand it,” he said at the time.

“If you’re the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying it’s declassified,” he added. “You’re the president — you make that decision.”

Responding to Mr Trump’s comments to Ms Kelly, Jennifer Rubin, a Washington Post columnist, wrote on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, that it was “another public confession. Like taking candy from a baby”.

“Someone should tell him, that the US isn’t governed by opinions, it’s governed by laws,” one user said.

Conservative anti-Trump lawyer George Conway also noted that Mr Trump appeared to be making comments putting him in further legal jeopardy, saying that “interviewers should be required to read him his rights”.

“Credit to @megynkelly for letting him confess to the crimes in the indictment. She’ll see this played at the trial by the government,” Bradley Moss added.

“I want Dude to say this to Jack Smith in open court during his criminal trial,” Tony Michaels said.

Trump insists there is no ‘ritual’ to declassifying US secrets ‘at least in my opinion’

‘I’m allowed to take these documents – classified or not classified. And frankly, when I have them, they become unclassified,’ Trump says

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That noose tightens a little further, bless. I especially like how Musk tried his best not to comply with those messages, but was then brute forced into it.

Twitter handed over 32 direct messages from Donald Trump’s account with the social media platform to special counsel Jack Smith as part of his election subversion probe, according to a new court filing.

The former president was a voracious user of his @realDonaldTrump as he tried to overturn Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory, but was suspended by the platform in the wake of the January 6 attack “due to the risk of further incitement of violence.”

But that has not stopped federal prosecutors from getting access to a string of Mr Trump’s private messages from the high-profile account.

Details of the messages, which were obtained with a search warrant, were included in a brief that was filed under seal in May to the US Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington DC, reported CNN.

Twitter, which is now known as X, had appealed a judge’s sanctioning of Elon Musk’s company for its delay in handing over the messages to prosecutors.

Twitter gives special counsel Jack Smith 32 of Trump’s private messages

Details of the messages were included in now unsealed brief filed in May to US Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington DC

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[Tiffany]

I've been a little bit out of the loop with the news this past week, except to look at the mega headlines on Trump. I suppose Musk didn't have much choice but to share Trumps private messages.

 

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The noose around Trump's neck has just loosened significantly, unfortunately. He's not gonna be tried for the insurrection this year after all and it may not even be next year now. His trial had been scheduled for October and losing it would have mean automatic disqualification from holding public office, ie becoming president again, mission accomplished and world democracy saved.

This is a huge win for him as losing the other lawsuits won't actually prevent him from becoming president and yes, many Republicans are stupid enough to vote for a convicted felon to be their president judging by how far out in front of the other Republican nominees he is in current polling.

You can be sure that if he wins that general election, first thing he'll do is pardon himself, if possible, and if the lawsuit hasn't yet been tried, he can just dismiss it, totally dodging liability and won't have to answer for his actions, ie he's above the law. How is this right from any angle?

A Georgia judge has ruled that Donald Trump and 16 of his co-defendants do not have to be tried in October, in a blow to prosecutors.

‌The schedule laid out by Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee only details some of the steps in the pre-trial process, which could mean that the trial itself does not happen until well into 2024, or even later.

‌Two co-defendants, Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, sought quick trials that are scheduled to begin on Oct 23.

‌Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis had argued that trying the group together would make the trial more efficient and more fair.

Boost for Donald Trump as election interference trial pushed back

A Georgia judge has ruled that Donald Trump and 16 of his co-defendants do not have to be tried in October, in a blow to prosecutors.

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[Mars]

The noose around Trump's neck has just loosened significantly, unfortunately. He's not gonna be tried for the insurrection this year after all and it may not even be next year now. His trial had been scheduled for October and losing it would have mean automatic disqualification from holding public office, ie becoming president again, mission accomplished and world democracy saved.

This is a huge win for him as losing the other lawsuits won't actually prevent him from becoming president and yes, many Republicans are stupid enough to vote for a convicted felon to be their president judging by how far out in front of the other Republican nominees he is in current polling.

You can be sure that if he wins that general election, first thing he'll do is pardon himself, if possible, and if the lawsuit hasn't yet been tried, he can just dismiss it, totally dodging liability and won't have to answer for his actions, ie he's above the law. How is this right from any angle?

Boost for Donald Trump as election interference trial pushed back

A Georgia judge has ruled that Donald Trump and 16 of his co-defendants do not have to be tried in October, in a blow to prosecutors.

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Here is another angle on the story: it sees the decision as actually detrimental to trump. Hopfully he is right.
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Ex-Prosecutor Explains Why Latest Georgia Case Development Will 'Devastate' Trump

"This is going to hurt," said Glenn Kirschner.

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Hmmm... I sure hope so.

As I said in my post, losing this insurrection trial would disqualify him from becoming president, so his popularity will become an irrelevance, killing off his presidential run in one hit. However, this way, he'll still be eligible to run and we have to hope that this ex-prosecutor's opinion is right about the constant feed of bad news about Trump putting people off. I think it will just make his fervent cult supporters even more rabid for him as has been happening already. Question there is whether there are enough of those morons to win him the election and from what I've read, there aren't. Fingers crossed.

 

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@Mars ok, I've now watched that video by Glen Kirschner and can see where he's coming from about Trump looking bad and being unable to defend himself at the earlier trial he's skipped. Against a normal defendent who'se not running for president, I'd say it's a big win for the prosecution.

Crucially, all defendents are guilty of all crimes in such a case as they all worked together to bring about the bigger crime, ie the objective of overturning the election, which is great. However, he didn't address when Trump would likely get his trial, so if it's put back too far as my article stated and he becomes president, despite being made to look bad, then, once again, he'll be able to pardon himself where found guilty and make the trial go away where it hasn't started or finished. Stopping this is paramount.

 

[Mars]

@Mars ok, I've now watched that video by Glen Kirschner and can see where he's coming from about Trump looking bad and being unable to defend himself at the earlier trial he's skipped. Against a normal defendent who'se not running for president, I'd say it's a big win for the prosecution.

Crucially, all defendents are guilty of all crimes in such a case as they all worked together to bring about the bigger crime, ie the objective of overturning the election, which is great. However, he didn't address when Trump would likely get his trial, so if it's put back too far as my article stated and he becomes president, despite being made to look bad, then, once again, he'll be able to pardon himself where found guilty and make the trial go away where it hasn't started or finished. Stopping this is paramount.

I agree that he is not out for the count yet, just have to wait and see.

 

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Trump's cronies are beginning to turn on him already. Let's hope the trickle turns into a tsunami.

Jeffrey Clark, one of the 18 people indicted in the Fulton County, Georgia, election case, pointed fingers at Donald Trump, saying he was pushed to investigate the 2020 election fraud claims at the direction of the former president.

The former assistant attorney general for the Justice Department’s environment and natural resources division was indicted — alongside a group that includes Mr Trump — for his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

At the time, Mr Clark had drafted a letter to Georgia election officials saying that the Justice Department was looking into supposed irregularities that occurred in the state’s election.

On Monday, however, a lawyer for Mr Clark argued that he only wrote the letter at the direction of then-president Donald Trump.

Trump’s Georgia co-defendants start to turn on ex-president

Jeffrey Clark’s lawyer was trying to demonstrate that his client was simply working in his capacity as a DOJ official in an effort to move the case to federal court

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Efforts to remove Trump from the ballot using the 14th Amendment section 3 are gaining momentum. I just love how his ridiculous and undeserved popularity ahead of other Republican candidates would be moot if this was successful.

New Effort To Remove Trump From Ballot Underway In California

Lawmakers are asking the state's attorney general to seek a court opinion on whether Trump is disqualified because he violated the 14th Amendment.

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[Tiffany]

It will be interesting how all of this ends, I just hope it ends well and people keep their wits about themselves and behave during the election process.

 

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Awww, check this out: more and more co-defendants are flipping* on Trump, bless. I haz a happy. May he go down in flames soon.

'Perfect Example': Ex-U.S. Attorney Names Trump Insider Who Could Flip Next

Harry Litman said this person could become "dangerous" for the former president.

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*Flipping = turning on him.