The Trump downfall thread

[Tiffany]

This judge is in total control of this trial, yes, I've noticed that. The lawyers have so far been challenged by the selection of unbiased jurors. This trial, may be Trumps complete undoing.

 

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This judge is in total control of this trial, yes, I've noticed that. The lawyers have so far been challenged by the selection of unbiased jurors. This trial, may be Trumps complete undoing.

Yes, quite. The bold bit I was thinking that too, because if this trial shows that he's not untouchable, the others will snowball.

 

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Drain the swamp by getting rid of Trump and his corruption once and for all.

Why is the former president’s case only coming to trial now? In part because the Trump administration politicized the legal process and perverted a federal investigation without cause.

The former president has the entire scandal backwards. He believes the real controversy is that the case wasn’t prosecuted sooner, when it reality, it would’ve been prosecuted sooner had partisans on his team not corrupted the process on his behalf.

Why didn’t Trump’s trial start years earlier? Blame Bill Barr

Why are Donald Trump's alleged crimes from 2016 being prosecuted now? In part because of former Attorney General Bill Barr's actions.

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[Tiffany]

Good article. Bill Barr had more credibility in his younger years.

The old proverbial saying:

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It takes a lot of integrity these days to maintain integrity and respect. The political scene is so corrupted.

 

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Check out just how deluded Trump's supporters are as this video is hilariously facepalmy. When people say the cult of Trump, believe it. This is what it looks like. And these people are allowed to vote...

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Jordan Klepper Has Mind-Melting Encounter With Trump Supporters Outside NY Trial

"The Daily Show" correspondent tried logic on some of the ex-president's fans. He didn't get very far.

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Great news: Trump's trial has hardly started and it's already wrecking his campaigning!

Even before Donald Trump’s criminal trial in New York began, it was clear that the lengthy and demanding proceedings would fundamentally change his 2024 campaign.

But it only took a few days to show that Trump’s hush money trial will be even more damaging, more constraining, and more significant than anyone expected.

The headlines alone told the story. During the trial’s opening week, for instance, Trump arguably drew the most attention for appearing to fall asleep in the courtroom.

“I had sort of underestimated just the giant time-suck this is going to be for him as a candidate,” Alex Conant, a GOP strategist and a top aide on Marco Rubio’s 2016 campaign told The Daily Beast.

Crucially, it’s not just time, but money, being left on the table as the hush money case drags on.

“He could be raising six, seven figures pretty regularly at major-dollar events around the country at this point,” Conant said. “That’s literally what Biden is doing. So Trump’s fundraisers are probably frustrated that because he’s in New York, they can’t schedule that stuff.”

Trump’s Trial Is Already Wreaking Havoc on His Campaign

Photo Illustration by Luis G. Rendon/The Daily Beast/GettyWelcome to Trail Mix, your 2024 election sanity guide. See something interesting on the trail? Email me at jake.lahut@thedailybeast.com. To get Trail Mix in your inbox, subscribe here for free.This week, we take an early look at just how...

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[Tiffany]

I've read Trump has appeared to be nodding off at times in court and yes, so much havoc....he can't campaign if he's sitting in a trial for weeks. I still think this is the trial that will really expose the dark side of Trump that people are unwilling to see.

A man doused himself with an accelerant and set himself on fire today in front of the court house where Trump is:

MSN

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I'd like to know what level of "crazy" you would have to be to do this to yourself and for what reason....any reason related to Trump?

 

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I love this. He's gotta take all this criticism in court, but can't hit back at it. He must also attend court every day of the trial and isn't allowed to walk out. All this takes him down a peg or two. Maybe some of his loyal fans will finally start to see through his fakery? This is what he fears most and he's right to as it will help him to lose the election and the world will finally be rid of him.

NEW YORK (AP) — He seems "selfish and self-serving,” said one woman.

The way he carries himself in public "leaves something to be desired," said another.

His “negative rhetoric and bias," said another man, is what is “most harmful."

Over the past week, Donald Trump has been forced to sit inside a frigid New York courtroom and listen to a parade of potential jurors in his criminal hush money trial share their unvarnished assessments of him.

It’s been a dramatic departure for the former president and presumptive GOP nominee, who is accustomed to spending his days in a cocoon of cheering crowds and constant adulation. Now a criminal defendant, Trump will instead spend the next several weeks subjected to strict rules that strip him of control over everything from what he is permitted to say to the temperature of the room.

“He’s the object of derision. It's his nightmare. He can't control the script. He can't control the cinematography. He can't control what's being said about him. And the outcome could go in a direction he really doesn't want," said Tim O'Brien, a Trump biographer and critic.

Trump forced to listen silently to people insulting him as he trades a cocoon of adulation for court

Over the past week, Donald Trump has been forced to sit inside a frigid New York courtroom and listen to a parade of potential jurors in his criminal hush money trial share their unvarnished assessments of him. Now a criminal defendant, Trump will instead spend the next several weeks subjected...

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Down boy! Sit! Trump's humiliation grows by the day as he's now treated like a dog by the judge.

As the 45th president of the United States, Donald Trump isn't used to being reminded that he's now a criminal defendant. He got one stark reminder from Judge Juan Merchan on Friday, according to a new report.

The Daily Beast's Jose Pagliery reported that during Friday's jury selection, Merchan had to tell Trump to sit down after he abruptly stood up before the judge finished his sentence. Merchan had just gotten through more than an hour of back-and-forth arguments with both the prosecution and the defense about a contempt hearing scheduled for next week, where Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg is alleging that Trump has repeatedly violated the court's gag order.

"Merchan turned his face to the former president and said in a firm voice: 'Sir, can you please have a seat,'" Pagliery wrote. "His long, black robes dangled from beneath his right hand as he waved it down, like a man addressing his dog."

Pagliery, who was present during the hearing, wrote that Trump then "went and plopped straight back down into his maroon leather chair at the defense table—and remained for another minute, fuming as the judge gathered his paperwork and strolled toward his chambers."

Now, for some prison time.

Trump was 'fuming' after Judge Merchan made him sit 'like a man addressing his dog': report

As the 45th president of the United States, Donald Trump isn't used to being reminded that he's now a criminal defendant. He got one stark reminder from Judge Juan Merchan on Friday, according to a new report.The Daily Beast's Jose Pagliery reported that during Friday's jury selection, Merchan...

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Well, this is an interesting twist. You can see from this that this is yet another scam by Trump who's now even trying it on with the court. The judge should never have let him off the $464m that he needed to post and let Letitia James sieze his assets as he couldn't pay it.

New York Attorney General Letitia James has asked the judge in Donald Trump’s civil fraud case to void the $175m bond posted previously by the former president, after questioning whether the insurance company has sufficient funds to back it up.

Mr Trump’s bond was posted by California-based Knight Specialty Insurance Company (KSIC), and Ms James raised concerns that the insurer was “not authorised” to write business in New York.

In a 26-page filing posted on Friday ahead of a pre-scheduled hearing next week, her office also argued that the collateral put up by the former president should be under the full control of the company.

Ms James said that the KSIC "had never before written a surety bond in New York or in the prior two years in any other jurisdiction, and has a total policy holder surplus of just $138 million,” according to the documents obtained by NBC.

Trump’s $175m bond in fraud case should be voided, says New York attorney general

Mr Trump’s hefty bond was posted by California-based Knight Specialty Insurance Company last month

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This is a hilarious takedown of Trump's scam bible. Check out the stuck together pages!

Heck, this bible is so unique and crazy, that it might be worth collecting.

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So, Trump is a total fraud. Who knew?

Taylor also dispensed with the argument that the former president’s wealth is proof of his business acumen.

“Al Capone was incredibly rich,” he said. “You can be rich and not be a great businessman. You can be a fraud. And we’ve seen this with Donald Trump throughout his history. Even people who’ve been huge supporters of his have come away saying, ‘he’s a total fraud.’”

There's also another massive factor to his wealth: he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth since he was born into an extremely wealthy family. Kinda hard to fail when you've got that kind of money behind you.

Ex-Trump Official Busts 1 Of Trump's Favorite Myths About Himself Wide Open

Miles Taylor said even people who were close to the former president eventually reach this conclusion about him.

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Here's another article showing the corruption* in the Supreme Court for slow-walking the insurrection case against Trump to the point where it now will almost certainly not come to trial before the general election in November. As the articles says, we're at a fork in the road between democracy and autocracy. The stakes literally couldn't be higher for the whole world, let alone America and most people don't realise this.

The former president’s legal strategy largely boils down to delaying, by any means necessary, the growing pile of criminal and civil threats against him in courtrooms across the country.

Supreme Court justices delivered him a key victory. The months of debate and delays – culminating in the Supreme Court slow walking one of the most important tests of presidential power in American history – have all but ensured that voters will not see a verdict in a trial to determine if he unlawfully conspired to overturn an election before they cast their ballots in the next one.

“The substance of this case is nothing less than a fork in the road on whether we will continue to have democracy, a constitutional republic, with checks and balances that have characterised the presidency, or whether we will embark on the road to autocracy,” according to Norm Eisen, a senior fellow with the Brookings Institution who served as co-counsel for the House Judiciary Committee during Mr Trump’s first impeachment.

*Note that they don't actually claim that the SC is corrupt as that would open them up to libel, defamation etc, but that's exactly what underhand tactics like this are.

How Supreme Court delays gave Trump what he wants before 2024 elections

 

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Oh dear, when it comes to E Jean Carroll it's really not going well for Trump, lol.

I'd like to know what evidence was so compelling that she should win an £83m judgement against him.

A federal judge on Thursday upheld the verdict and award of more than $83m to the writer E Jean Carroll in a defamation case against Donald Trump after he called her a liar for accusing him of sexually assaulting her.

Judge Lewis Kaplan, a senior district judge on the US district court for the southern district of New York, denied Trump’s motion for a new trial and affirmed that Carroll suffered harm caused by Trump’s 2019 public statements.

“Mr Trump’s argument is entirely without merit both as a matter of law and as a matter of fact,” Kaplan wrote in his opinion released on Thursday.

Carroll, a journalist and advice columnist, first sued Trump in 2019 for sexually abusing her in a New York department store changing room around early 1996. A jury awarded her with $5m in compensatory and punitive damages last year.

I say this because what evidence does she have that he sexually assaulted her in 1996? As far as I can tell, in these historic sexual abuse cases, it's the accuser's word against the accused's, so that's just hearsay, hence Trump may well not be lying when he says he's never met her. Again, I'd like to see all the evidence before make a judgement call on this one.

Judge upholds $83m E Jean Carroll defamation verdict against Trump

The former president’s motion for a new trial was denied and his argument deemed ‘entirely without merit’

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That illegal fake electors scheme that Trump tried to subvert the 2020 election with is rather complex, having many aspects to it, so here are a couple of articles explaining it. Have a large mug of your favourite beverage to hand before you start reading them.


This may end up locked behind a paywall, but at the moment it's readable.

The Fake Electors Scheme, Explained (Published 2022)

The plan to reverse the outcome of the 2020 election by creating slates of electors pledged to Donald Trump in states he had lost was expansive, long-running and often confusing.

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And here's the always free Wikipedia:

Trump fake electors plot - Wikipedia

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Here's why the impeachment attempt against Joe Biden quite rightly went nowhere.

Though some Republicans may blame House oversight committee Chair James Comer (R-Ky.) for their failure to impeach President Joe Biden, the real reason is simple: The whole party bought into long-debunked conspiracy theories peddled by their leader, Donald Trump.

As usual, the serial Liar-in-Chief's lies don't stand up to scrutiny.

The Impeachment Inquiry Against Joe Biden Was Doomed From The Start

Republicans were working with claims that'd been debunked repeatedly — and even certified as Russian propaganda by the Trump administration in 2020.

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Great to see judge Juan Merchan not pandering to Trump, instead holding firm on his gag order.

I really want to see Trump violate his gag order and end up in the slammer.

Donald Trump tried—and failed—to lure the judge overseeing his New York criminal trial into the position of greenlighting his angry screeds to ensure they don’t violate a gag order that seeks to stop him from continuing to intimidate witnesses and jurors.

The move came after Trump got slapped with $9,000 in fines and a warning of a potential stay in the slammer on Tuesday, then had to fend off the risk of an additional $4,000 in penalties Thursday morning.

After a trial lunch break, the former president’s legal team approached New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan with a curious request: If Trump keeps getting into hot water for sharing news stories about the trial but still theoretically has a First Amendment right to speak about the case in general terms, would the judge be willing to review and OK posts before he makes them?

Judge Refuses to Green Light Angry Trump Posts

Doug Mills/GettyDonald Trump tried—and failed—to lure the judge overseeing his New York criminal trial into the position of greenlighting his angry screeds to ensure they don’t violate a gag order that seeks to stop him from continuing to intimidate witnesses and jurors.The move came after Trump...

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Yeah, what's with Trump's minions all calling him "the president" the whole time? I do find it mildly annoying as he's clearly not the president any more. I think it's done to enforce the false impression to his cult followers that the 2020 election was illegitimate and that he's therefore still the president. So deluded.

It's the last sentence in this quote that really nails it.

It should be noted that Trump’s defense team announced it would refer to him as President Trump as a sign of respect afforded ex-presidents. The attorneys have done so dozens of other times without objection.

But Kelly persisted in trying to make his point. He showed a White House website page of President Joe Biden’s accomplishments that calls him “President Biden,” even for things he did before he was president.

The anchor conveniently forgot that Biden isn’t a defendant in a criminal trial in which the title might prove problematic at times.

Newsmax Host: It's Illegal To Forbid People From Calling Trump 'President Trump' At Trial

A court exchange set off Newsmax's Greg Kelly, who ranted about "hideous bias."

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[live627]

I could be wrong on this, but that is an honorary title a President has for life.

 

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This video is about the nightmare that is the Republican Project 2025. Their 900 page document explicitly explains how they will ruin the government and democracy if Trump gets into power. And so much of the American public are sleepwalking into it ffs.

Given all this, I fully expect dictator Trump to change the Constitution so that he can stay in power forever. Seriously, if that happens, the only thing that will stop him is old age catching up with him and dying. Even then, the best of modern medical technology will be able to keep him going for much longer than you or me. Even then, he'll just be replaced by another dictator and the nightmare would continue.

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Project 2025 - Wikipedia

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I could be wrong on this, but that is an honorary title a President has for life.

Yes, I've heard that, but it's obvious that his lawyers and supporters are using it to try and reinforce the lie that he won the 2020 election and is therefore still president to attempt to sway public opinion.

Everywhere else I see former presidents, not just Trump, referred to as former presidents and that's as it should be. I think the judge should enforce this. By the way they'll fight against this will reveal their true motivation as I explained above.

 

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So pathetic: he can't even write his own tweets.

Donald Trump dictated his tweets and demanded capitals and exclamation marks, a former aide told his trial.

Madeleine Westerhout said Mr Trump preferred her to take notes rather than write himself. He would then edit them on paper and send.

"There are certain words he liked to capitalise... like 'country'," she said. "He liked exclamation points."

Trump's former aide tells how he dictated tweets

Madeleine Westerhout tells ex-president's trial that he liked capitals and exclamation marks.

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What? Only in a dystopian world can this be happening. The points made in this opinion piece seem valid to me - and very depressing. How can Biden do so much objective good for the country, ie measurable stats, yet the dangerous orange moron gets the votes? What's wrong with people?

Besides all the damage he'd do if he got back into power, can you imagine just how insufferable he'll be? I really don't wanna see that day.

I have to admit, none of this is playing out as I had thought. Trump is now leading in almost all the swing states, and behind those numbers lie even more troubling details. As someone worried about the prospects of a second Trump term, I think it is best to be honest about reality. I understand that polls are not always accurate, but in general they have tended to underestimate Trump’s support, not overestimate it. I doubt that there are many shy Biden voters in the country.

Opinion: The presidential election isn’t playing out how I thought it would

President Biden was poised to run a strong campaign against Donald Trump on returning the US to normalcy, Fareed Zakaria writes. Polling shows that has gone off the rails, as voters seem concerned about his age and approach to the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza.

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Drain the swamp, get rid of Trump ffs.

Opinion | Trump's reported $1 billion ask from oil CEOs looks insanely corrupt

Trump’s alleged attempt at a quid pro quo with oil execs could violate federal bribery laws.

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Go on then judge, stick him in jail! What are you waiting for?

The article is short, so I've quoted all of it.

Mary Trump, who is the niece of former President Trump, said it’s “absurd” to think that her uncle would willingly go to jail if the judge orders him to for breaking the rules of his gag order.

“I think that it’s absurd for anybody to think that he would willingly go into jail for even a night, even an afternoon, honestly,” she told MSNBC’s Alex Witt on Saturday.

Judge Juan Merchan ruled that Trump has violated the gag order in his criminal hush money case, fining him $9,000, $1,000 for each violation at the time.

Trump’s comments come a day after the former president said he would be “very proud” to go to jail over violating his gag order.

Trump has insisted that he was exercising his free speech rights, but the gag order restricts him from talking about the jurors, prosecutors, witnesses or Merchan’s family members, after he posted online targeting them.

Merchan has said that Trump could face jail time for future violations.

Mary Trump said she hopes that if he is sent to jail, “it’s for real.”

“It’s not that he’s going to get some suite at a fancy hotel that’s guarded. He is there in a cell, without his phone, just like any other American would be,” she said, highlighted by Mediaite.

She thinks that if her uncle does go to jail over the violation, he would come out as a changed man.

“Honestly, I just don’t think he could handle it. He would love the martyrdom, but I don’t believe for a second that he is willing to go to jail for real. No way.”

Mary Trump: ‘Absurd’ to think Trump would willingly go to jail

Mary Trump, who is the niece of former President Trump, said it’s “absurd” to think that her uncle would willingly go to jail if the judge orders him to for breaking the rules of his gag order. “I think that it’s absurd for anybody to think that he would willingly go into jail for even…

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