The Trump thread

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A good compromise my ass. Zelensky's constantly prevented from defending his country properly by tying one hand behind his back by not giving him the necessary weaponry to destroy Russia's war factories, like those Tomahawk missiles. Hence, this damned war just drags on and on and on as Russia just keeps on creating new weapons.

Heck, even Biden restrained him, fearing Putin's threats of nuclear war. This war would have been over in Ukraine's favour if America had simply had the balls to give Zelensky what he so badly needs to nail Russia.

I can see why he's saying it as he's in a desperate situation, but he knows it's a crock of shit and must be really angry inside that his hand is being forced by a supposed ally that's really operating under Putin's instructions.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy has voiced support for Donald Trump’s proposal for Ukraine and Russia to freeze the war at the current frontlines, calling it “a good compromise”, even as he acknowledged Moscow had made clear it would not accept the arrangement.

“I think that was a good compromise but I’m not sure that Putin will support it, and I said it to the president,” Zelenskyy said on a visit to Oslo, part of a tour of Scandinavia to seek additional military support.

The US president had earlier this week told reporters on Air Force One: “They can negotiate something later on down the line. But I said cut and stop at the battle line.” He was speaking shortly before a planned summit with Vladimir Putin was put on hold after Russia said its goal of seeking the whole of the eastern Donbas region, including areas held by Ukraine, had not changed.

Zelenskyy calls Trump’s proposal to freeze war at current frontlines ‘good compromise’

US president’s remark seen as modest win for Ukrainian leader, who acknowledges Russia will not accept proposal

www.theguardian.com

 

[AllThingsTech]

As per post #1876, did you intend to place the first paragraph in a quote where Trump actually admitted complying with Putin’s instructions, or was that your stance?

 

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Thanks, fixed quote snafu.

 

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Oh bless, believe that Trump won't try to use every loophole possible to get a third term and you'll believe anything. That's literally what the political pundit on LBC said today, so not just my opinion.

They also played a clip of Steve Bannon saying that Trump WILL be president for a third term, 100% possibility and that he didn't want to give away how it was going to be done. That was chilling if ever I heard it as they clearly have some major corruption planned to try and achieve this. If anyone can find that clip and post it, I'd be very grateful.

Trump does not rule out seeking third term - but says he will not use VP loophole

Trump rules out running for vice-president, an idea floated by supporters to circumvent the US constitution which bars him from running again.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Astro What]

Sadly.. there are back-door methods that he could. All he would have to do is get one of his MAGA sycophants to run for President with him on the Vice-President ticket. His sycophant gets elected and then immediately resigns, resulting in Trump being elevated into the position.
There could be the question of the fact that he did run for election that the 2 terms elected process comes into play even though he was not running for the top office. But that would be for the courts to decide.

The only assured way around that is for the Trump sycophant to lose the election, which they probably would do as even idiots would be intelligent enough to see what was going on and after the train wreck that has been his current term becomes worse he won't be palatable, even to many MAGA cult members.

 

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Sadly.. there are back-door methods that he could. All he would have to do is get one of his MAGA sycophants to run for President with him on the Vice-President ticket. His sycophant gets elected and then immediately resigns, resulting in Trump being elevated into the position.

This was exactly the point being discussed on the radio with Trump being quoted as having said that of course he wouldn't use such a tactic. Yeah, sure, that's exactly what he wants to do, which is why the political analyst said believe that and you'll believe anything.

I wouldn't put it past the MAGA idiots to think it's a great idea though. All they want is Trump and more Trump, no matter what. Sure, a number won't like it, but I think in the main they would, unfortunately.

 

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Here's some more on the dodgy election results, just posted by David Pakman. Note how his view is that there was no rigging, so he's really grilling his guest from the Election Truth Alliance who does a pretty good job of giving him straight answers. At the end, Pakman says he has to think about what he's heard and also the analysis is online for everyone to see.

Note that his guest doesn't claim that any of this is a smoking gun, but it's worthy of investigation as it's suspicious, so it's not just hysterical claims.

It's 27 minutes long, so set aside some time for it and fortify yourself with your favourite beverage.

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@AllThingsTech @Hitcore have a watch and see what you think. You really should see the evidence before flat out denying that it could be possible.

Note that this is only an update, there's lots more that I posted previously in this thread, but something tells you won't bother watching this or any of the other videos. At least Astro What has looked at previous videos and decided it wasn't convincing enough, so that's his informed decision.

 

[Astro What]

This was exactly the point being discussed on the radio with Trump being quoted as having said that of course he wouldn't use such a tactic. Yeah, sure, that's exactly what he wants to do, which is why the political analyst said believe that and you'll believe anything.

As I mentioned... odds are even the current conservative Supreme Court would rule that was a bridge too far.
As for Trump and his promises/statements. Anyone that takes anything he says at face value simply shows that they aren't that well versed in critical thinking.

 

[Astro What]

Note that his guest doesn't claim that any of this is a smoking gun, but it's worthy of investigation as it's suspicious, so it's not just hysterical claims.

If we investigated all claims that get made.. you become a nation based upon paranoia.

You really should see the evidence before flat out denying that it could be possible.

Claims do not equate with evidence. If it was evidence it could be submitted into court for action.
Case in point... access to voter registration information (a hack) is no different than a hack of any other business where the hackers are getting customer information. Just being hacked does not equate to votes being changed/stolen/fake voters. It is not suspicious just because it happened during an election period. If it happened during any other period, it would simply be another hack of a "business".

The comparisons to Russia's elections again are not equivalent to the US elections.
In Russia, the CEC controls federal elections.
In the US, there is a FEC, but the actual voting process is controlled by each State as long as it complies with the federal guidelines... but ultimately the States decide how the voting is handled (write-in, in person, early voting, etc.) and not a centralized country control.

I've been a long time watcher of David... and the overall feel I get from him is not that he's supportive of the "stolen election" information being evidence, but may be something to be looked at more closely.
To call it evidence does a disservice to the word evidence and what evidence actually consists of.

The fact is, the MAGA faithful turned out to get Trump elected, especially in those "pro-Trump" areas, since they have a tendency to get more fired up and get their friends out to vote.
Democrats were more blasé in getting out as they were not that enthusiastic over the candidate they had forced upon them.

 

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As I mentioned... odds are even the current conservative Supreme Court would rule that was a bridge too far.
As for Trump and his promises/statements. Anyone that takes anything he says at face value simply shows that they aren't that well versed in critical thinking.

+1 on that. He's had a few setbacks there too, recently. Just the other day, one of his most Trumpist judges in the supreme court slapped down one of his lawsuits as meritless, which gives me hope that the checks and balances against his 2028 election corruption will hold. Pulling a third term really would be extreme. tbh his health might not even hold up that long so the point may be moot.

If we investigated all claims that get made.. you become a nation based upon paranoia.

Yes that would, but we're not talking about all claims though, just these specific to the election. I get you don't think this is worthy evidence and that's fine, we all have an opinion on this.

Claims do not equate with evidence.

I'd directed that comment to @AllThingsTech so they can see for themselves and make an informed opinion like you have, rather than just working off a hunch, emotions like they said of me. I don't think they're interested though, so what they say doesn't carry much weight when claiming it wasn't rigged as they're not informed.

Anyway, since we're talking about it, those weird voting patterns in this latest video are evidence. As you know better than me from being an ex cop, evidence has to be strong enough to make a case in court and that guy didn't say it was strong enough for that as it stood, just that it should be investigated further and perhaps that stronger evidence will come to light, which is what I'm saying too.

Also the other stunts pulled during the election like bomb scares and more, I can't even remember what they were now, adds to the suspicious nature of this election. Remember, this is Trump we're talking about and he'll try every trick in the book to get what he wants, you know that (just check that insurrection) so don't put it past him, just consider that it's a possibility. Look, he wants to do a third term too no matter how far fetched that sounds. It's just unbelievable with him. The depressing thing is that so far, he really has beaten the system and gotten away with everything, installing himself at the very top of that very system. If this had been a movie, critics would have panned it as too ridiculous, too implausible a plot that couldn't happen, yet it has.

I've been a long time watcher of David... and the overall feel I get from him is not that he's supportive of the "stolen election" information being evidence, but may be something to be looked at more closely.

He came out quite strongly in that video as skeptical of election interference, but it's very good that he allows this issue to be discussed on his channel like he does, by having people on his show with the evidence they've collected, considering it, thus letting their voice be heard and allowing anyone to make up their own mind about the veracity of that evidence. Can't be more objective than that, really, so I think we agree on this one.

The fact is, the MAGA faithful turned out to get Trump elected, especially in those "pro-Trump" areas, since they have a tendency to get more fired up and get their friends out to vote.
Democrats were more blasé in getting out as they were not that enthusiastic over the candidate they had forced upon them.

Alas this is all too true and among other factors, is why the election was close. Quite depressing really and is a fine example of how sht floats.

 

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Is Trump preparing a coup right under our noses by using the loophole of this shut down government? David Pakman explains that he might well be and it sounds very plausible. This shutdown has now gone on for long enough and the longer it goes on, the more it looks like it could be deliberate to allow him to rule with unchecked power.

If you feel unsettled by this, you should be.

@AllThingsTech @Astro What I'm interested in what you think of this one.

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[Astro What]

those weird voting patterns in this latest video are evidence.

No, they are statistical information that was, as mentioned, able to be read in other ways depending on who is looking at it. Statistical behavior is not evidence of anything - other than possible behavior patterns that don't fit within the parameters that the user expects to find. Statistical patterning is a case of woulda/coulda/shoulda in court. For it to be evidence, it needs to have other factual easily proven data to back up the allegation it is being used to make. And that is lacking, both when Trump and the GOP tried to make those claims and currently with the arguments being used against the 2024 election. Both use the Coulda/Woulda/Shoulda argument. They had/have no other fact based data to back it up.
This is the same type of arguments that Trump and his sycophants tried to use when he lost to Biden.
There is a reason that there are sayings like "there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics" and "facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable".
That doesn't mean that it should not be looked at. But we are 10 months in, and still no facts to back up those statistics have been found in any amount that would have impacted an election. There are one-offs here and there, but again, not to a level that would have impacted the election overall.

Now, as for it being "evidence" for those that are using it to base their personal opinions on... yeah, I guess you could call it that. But rumor and innuendo can be used (and called evidence) to do the same thing. That's why the word evidence has a different meaning in court (legal) from the court of public opinion.

Is Trump preparing a coup right under our noses by using the loophole of this shut down government? David Pakman explains that he might well be and it sounds very plausible. This shutdown has now gone on for long enough and the longer it goes on, the more it looks like it could be deliberate to allow him to rule with unchecked power.

It was already known he was going to try this route during the shutdown by using powers he does not actually have. Many of his actions have already been challenged in court since the shutdown and found to be unlawful and now have to work their way up the judicial ladder.
And it was already known what route that the GOP and Trump was going to take. Hell, it was already well documented in Project 2025, which they are using as a guide for what they are doing.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5577373-federal-judge-halts-trump-shutdown-layoffs/

The only control over the power of the President is Congress.
And Congress (the GOP in power) has already abrogated much of their power to him because they fear him. That's also why they are working so hard to try everything they can do to stay in power with state redistricting because they KNOW that they are going to lose the majority in the midterms at the rate they are going and looking at public opinion.
And that redistricting goes back to my comment earlier about how the individual states have the ultimate power in voting in federal elections and not the US government. Yes, it's being done at the behest of Trump. But it is also being done in states that are Democratically controlled to try to offset those actions.

And the public is already recognizing it, including many in the GOP. I recently had a GOP candidate for my Congressional district come by door knocking. During our conversation (about 30 minutes) it became apparent that he was one of the moderate GOP candidates. He agreed that much of what Trump was doing was not right and even agreed that some of his actions were not legal and not by the Constitution. He was even open to the possibility of impeachment due to some of Trump's actions.
The incumbent he's running against is a big MAGA supporter. Needless to say, I'll most likely be voting for him in the mid-terms unless the Democrats can present a candidate that is more moderate in their position. But being in Texas, Democrats rarely get voted into federal office in most districts, so you have to look for the most moderate GOP candidate if you hope to make a change.

 

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Following my post here on how Trumpty Dumpty could try to run for a third term, here's a new video from David Pakman (he seems to release one every 5 minutes, bless) explaining how Trump could try to do it, given how he's been getting away with ignoring certain court rulings as they're not enforced against him. Basically, never mind what the law says, he'll do it anyway due to lack of enforcement. Given how he's systematically corrupting every branch of government and local government, pulling this off might not be so impossible for him. We really need Father Time to call time on him, sooner rather than later.

This conversation is so preposterous that I can't believe we're having it, yet this is reality in a Trump world.

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No, they are statistical information...

Buddy, I don't understand why we're going round in circles over this. You need to consider the totality of what I said in that post as we're basically in agreement here as I already replied to you:

Anyway, since we're talking about it, those weird voting patterns in this latest video are evidence. As you know better than me from being an ex cop, evidence has to be strong enough to make a case in court and that guy didn't say it was strong enough for that as it stood, just that it should be investigated further and perhaps that stronger evidence will come to light, which is what I'm saying too.

Also the other stunts pulled during the election like bomb scares and more, I can't even remember what they were now, adds to the suspicious nature of this election. Remember, this is Trump we're talking about and he'll try every trick in the book to get what he wants, you know that (just check that insurrection) so don't put it past him, just consider that it's a possibility. Look, he wants to do a third term too no matter how far fetched that sounds. It's just unbelievable with him. The depressing thing is that so far, he really has beaten the system and gotten away with everything, installing himself at the very top of that very system. If this had been a movie, critics would have panned it as too ridiculous, too implausible a plot that couldn't happen, yet it has.

Thanks for the government shutdown explain, very informative. Yes, that The Hill article is what I was thinking of, but couldn't remember the details of, thankyou. Trump loves to put ordinary working people into dire financial straits, doesn't he? One of the biggest things I despise about him.

And the public is already recognizing it, including many in the GOP. I recently had a GOP candidate for my Congressional district come by door knocking. During our conversation (about 30 minutes) it became apparent that he was one of the moderate GOP candidates. He agreed that much of what Trump was doing was not right and even agreed that some of his actions were not legal and not by the Constitution. He was even open to the possibility of impeachment due to some of Trump's actions.
The incumbent he's running against is a big MAGA supporter. Needless to say, I'll most likely be voting for him in the mid-terms unless the Democrats can present a candidate that is more moderate in their position. But being in Texas, Democrats rarely get voted into federal offie in most districts, so you have to look for the most moderate GOP candidate if you hope to make a change.

That GOP candidate seems reasonable as he's seeing through Trump's BS.
You're doing some classic tactical voting there, totally understandable, and I'd likely do the same thing if I lived in Texas to make my vote count. We have similar situations over here in sunny Brexit Blighty, bless. I posted this thread last year about doing just this:

UK General Election 2024: how to push the tories out - stopthetories.vote

If, like me, you hate the tories anything like I do for the extensive harm that they've done to this country after 14 years, especially with brexit and the NHS among many other things, then you'll be interested in this thread. They're so behind Labour in the polls now, that tactical voting will...

nerdzone.uk

 

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Nuclear escalation much? Given that Russia and China are doing it, perhaps he's right. This is a very dangerous situation though and I'm not happy with it. Even without war, blowing up nukes underground is terrible for animals and the environment in general.

Trump tells Pentagon to immediately resume testing US nuclear weapons

President Donald Trump ordered the U.S. military on Thursday to immediately resume testing nuclear weapons after a gap of 33 years, in what appeared to be a message to rival nuclear powers China and Russia.

www.reuters.com

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/30/europe/analysis-putin-russia-nuclear-threat-us-latam-intl