The Windows 10 support "apocalypse" starts 14.10.2025

[Retro]

That's what Microsoft would like you to think to have everyone taking up their free upgrade to Windows 11, but it will be nothing of the sort. It will just be a gentle slide into oblivion over several years, so no need to panic. The increasing security issues won't suddenly become a critical nightmare, either. There will literally be no difference as that support date passes, but will gradually increase a bit. This is good news for those who have W11 incompatible PCs and can't or won't upgrade them right now.

My recommendation is to upgrade to Windows 11 soon after W10 EOL though if you really don't want it now to avoid general headaches with an increasingly unsupported operating system. For example, I've seen WhatsApp act buggy on an older iPhone iOS version once that model can't have the latest one, while working properly on the latest iOS. No one needs headaches like that.

End of support is 14 October 2025 and Leo Notenboom explains all this in his usual relaxed and easy to understand style.

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[AllThingsTech]

I don’t recall Whatsapp acting buggy on older iPhone iOS versions, although I remember support ended.

Did you know that Whatsapp for Mac is no longer supported? I wonder if it’s still supported on Windows?

 

[Retro]

Yeah, it did for me, I was speaking from personal experience. When I bought my new iPhone, I had WA installed on both and the difference in operation was obvious and could be directly compared. Mostly little things weren't quite right with it.

I wonder why they pulled it on the Mac, seems like a dumb move to me. You should still be able to access the web version though. The PC app is still supported.

 

[data66]

Wait... we aren't on Win 3.11? When did that happen? I remember when my dad brought home a prototype TRS-80 (he worked for a chip manufacturer in Maine) or they put them together. But, that was DOS. Then we got the ultimate machine - with Win 3.11. OMG wow. Now, we are at Win 11, when Win 10 bricked my HP machine - so I changed to mac. I much prefer it over winblows, other than my Alien PC but that was stolen - long story on that one. Hope this doesn't derail your thread.

Hadn't tried Whatsapp on my mac lately though.

 

[AllThingsTech]

Yeah, it did for me, I was speaking from personal experience. When I bought my new iPhone, I had WA installed on both and the difference in operation was obvious and could be directly compared. Mostly little things weren't quite right with it.

Can i ask in what way out of curiosity?

I wonder why they pulled it on the Mac, seems like a dumb move to me. You should still be able to access the web version though. The PC app is still supported.

Ah, I made an assumption! I googled it - actually, it’s simply incompatible with older Mac versions, and I haven’t upgraded my Mac in a while!

 

[Retro]

Can i ask in what way out of curiosity?

Can't remember specifics now, it was a few years ago now. It was obvious though.

 

[AllThingsTech]

Can't remember specifics now, it was a few years ago now. It was obvious though.

Would you say the difference is in iOS versions or in iPhone models?

I wonder whether this is specific to Whatsapp, or related to Apple slowing down older iPhones “to preserve battery life” (why they wouldn’t make it optional if that’s the genuine reason is beyond me, very telling to me that the real reason was to get users to purchase later iPhones)

 

[Retro]

Defo iOS version. Had the latest WA installed on both at the same time and it behaved differently. It's not the first time I've seen this kind of thing, either. Running apps on older versions of Windows can do the same thing.

Nothing to do with the trick that Apple pulled with the battery. Oh yeah, defo to get people to buy new iPhones with that lack of transparency and lack of option. Thing is, it really did help iPhones with knackered batteries to avoid sudden shutdowns, giving them plausibe deniability. I think they simply exploited the opportunity, which thankfully backfired on them.

 

[Retro]

Before I went Apple, I had some Android phone where the battery started dying on it. It would suddenly go from 100% charge to something like 20% and the phone would shut down unpredictably after less than 2 hours, making it completely useless. I've still got it, so must bin it sometime, but will do so responsibly due to that lithium battery or it really will be a hazard.

 

[AllThingsTech]

Before I went Apple, I had some Android phone where the battery started dying on it. It would suddenly go from 100% charge to something like 20% and the phone would shut down unpredictably after less than 2 hours, making it completely useless. I've still got it, so must bin it sometime, but will do so responsibly due to that lithium battery or it really will be a hazard.

At least you dispose your phones! We leave our phones lying around dormant round our house But it’s actually silly cuz the batteries just won’t hold >1% charge for more than a few seconds after a period of time of being dormant at zero charge, rendering these phones useless

Thinking about what you say about hazards, isn’t keeping around all these phones a hazard ?

 

[Retro]

Technically yes it is, which is why it's good to get rid of it, but In practice, the risk is pretty low. The battery just goes flat, isn't charged up again and no power is drawn from it, so nothing much happens to it. I just have a brick sitting there lol, a very good paperweight.

 

[AllThingsTech]

Technically yes it is, which is why it's good to get rid of it, but In practice, the risk is pretty low. The battery just goes flat, isn't charged up again and no power is drawn from it, so nothing much happens to it. I just have a brick sitting there lol, a very good paperweight.

You seem like a very cautious lad - better safe than sorry! Risk is low, but you may as well bin it responsibly, not worth that risk!

 

[Hitcore]

Good video, Leo explains it well indeed, reassuring people on W10's relative safety in a nuanced manner. On a sidenote, I like his last name: it's Dutch for "nut tree". The more you know.

The whole W10/W11 thing never bothered me none. Up until only recently I actively used W7 for the production of my music/videos on this old gaming rig from 2014. The thing is (literally) falling apart, though, that's why I have replaced it with something new, that runs W11. But even with my old rig security never was an issue: I simply kept it offline. In fact, I still do this with the new W11 machine. It's just for content creation. For everything else, my day to day internet use and whatnot, I use another system that runs Linux Mint. It's my way of keeping things simple for myself: one computer for making stuff (without distraction), and one computer for daily stuff. My 'tism demands it.

 

[AllThingsTech]

Good video, Leo explains it well indeed, reassuring people on W10's relative safety in a nuanced manner. On a sidenote, I like his last name: it's Dutch for "nut tree". The more you know.

The whole W10/W11 thing never bothered me none. Up until only recently I actively used W7 for the production of my music/videos on this old gaming rig from 2014. The thing is (literally) falling apart, though, that's why I have replaced it with something new, that runs W11. But even with my old rig security never was an issue: I simply kept it offline. In fact, I still do this with the new W11 machine. It's just for content creation. For everything else, my day to day internet use and whatnot, I use another system that runs Linux Mint. It's my way of keeping things simple for myself: one computer for making stuff (without distraction), and one computer for daily stuff. My 'tism demands it.

Omg i feel we’d deffo connect well! Do you gave discord? Feel free to DM me if you wanna keep contact info private

 

[Hitcore]

Nope, don't have Discord. But sure, we can DM.