The Brexit Thread
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Yeah, it's a cult alright.
And I agree that Starmer shouldn't have ruled out rejoining - again, as I've said before, what's he doing facilitating a tory brexit?! It wasn't the Labour party's idea, was it? So why so keen on it? What aren't we being told?
In recent interviews he nauseatingly continues to pander to it by claiming that the result of the referendum should be respected. And this is coming from an ex lawyer who knows very well that a new referendum can be had on it and that the decisions of previous parliaments can be reversed, all perfectly legally. And he also knows the lies and deceit used to secure that disastrous vote.
In fact, during the ITV leaders' debate the other day, when each of the leaders were asked if they would consider rejoing the EU, your favourite shadow deputy leader, Angela Rayner, said "no", with no elaboration, in stark difference to how much she elaborated and justified her reasoning on other issues. However, Stephen Flynn of the SNP said he would back Scotland rejoining the EU and he got a standing ovation from the audience for it!
This matches lots of recent polls which show that the UK population as a whole is turning away from brexit, so why does Starmer continue to unwaveringly back it? What aren't we being told? I can only hope that he won't actually be so anti rejoining once in power, but I'm not holding my breath given how he's so solidly against doing so now. As you say, a lame excuse.
And the medicines scandal, well yeah, it's totally criminal and why didn't Starmer press this point home against the tories? I guess because it would go against his "make brexit work" mantra, would show it up for the lie that it is.
Yeah, I'm anti tory, not so much pro Labour. It's just that the only way to finally get rid of the tories who foisted brexit on us and have done so much other harm too is to replace them with Labour. Hardly ideal, but it's a step in the right direction and it now looks increasingly likely that they'll win by a landslide. I'm not sure that's a good thing either and might even put Reform UK into opposition with Farage as they're leader. Awful scenario, isn't it? On 4th July we'll see what happens, not long now.
@Mars just discovered this great video by YouTuber Michael Lambert, an older gentleman who skewers Starmer's "make brexit work" mantra, articulately showing it up for the hypocritical lie that it is. It's a bit long at almost 21 minutes, so watching it with a cuppa in hand is recommended. Check it out.
What you said about the possible Labour win echoes my feeling exactly, him and Farage, it will be an unmitigated disaster, it makes me sick to my stomach, it really does.
I saw the ITV leaders' debate you have mentioned, no surprises there. A very cold wind is blowing.....
'Punishing' the tories for inflicting brexit on us, will be a very short lived and shortsighted satisfaction.
Stramer is a matriculated liar, Sunak is not.
I will, thanks; at the moment just the mention of this hypocrite makes me puke
Hey, waddya know, most British people have had enough of brexit and wanna get back into the EU sooner rather than later, so come on Starmer, enough with the "make brexit work" mantra that you keep spouting and that we're not rejoining not now, not ever. Let's hope that you've only been saying it to get elected and that you'll do the right thing once in power. Not holding my breath.
uk.news.yahoo.com
Exclusive: Majority Of Voters Want Next Government To Take UK Back Into European Union
New poll shows the result of the 2016 Brexit referendum has been reversed.
Ok, there's finally, finally one solid, concrete benefit of brexit!
Cars sold in the EU must have that automatic speed limit annoyance built in and turned on all the time. In fact, there's no legit way to disable it and hacking it to get rid of it is actually illegal.
The gist of it is that the car knows the speed limit of any road it's on and emits a constant, annoying dinging sound if the driver dares to go over the speed limit and may even reduce engine power. There's no safety benefit to an insane function like this unlike what the EU claims. It's bloody obvious and is just about the worst anti car measure I've ever seen. It only applies to new cars, however. Thankfully, there's no forced retrofit. Now watch the value of used cars skyrocket...
However, since the UK is now out of the EU, for cars sold here the annoyance isn't mandatory, ie you can switch the damned thing off! This is the first, real, tangible benefit of brexit that I've seen since this whole corrupt fiasco started all those years ago. No, I'm not suddenly a fan of brexit, but at least something good came of it, among all the damage that it continues to do to our economy etc.
Hopefully, our rabidly anti car Labour government won't make it mandatory in the future.
www.thisismoney.co.uk
@Geffers as a brexit supporter, you'll like this one.
Cars sold in the EU must have that automatic speed limit annoyance built in and turned on all the time. In fact, there's no legit way to disable it and hacking it to get rid of it is actually illegal.
The gist of it is that the car knows the speed limit of any road it's on and emits a constant, annoying dinging sound if the driver dares to go over the speed limit and may even reduce engine power. There's no safety benefit to an insane function like this unlike what the EU claims. It's bloody obvious and is just about the worst anti car measure I've ever seen. It only applies to new cars, however. Thankfully, there's no forced retrofit. Now watch the value of used cars skyrocket...
However, since the UK is now out of the EU, for cars sold here the annoyance isn't mandatory, ie you can switch the damned thing off! This is the first, real, tangible benefit of brexit that I've seen since this whole corrupt fiasco started all those years ago. No, I'm not suddenly a fan of brexit, but at least something good came of it, among all the damage that it continues to do to our economy etc.
Hopefully, our rabidly anti car Labour government won't make it mandatory in the future.
The car brands that WILL equip their new UK models with speed limiters
We contacted the 32 top-selling brands to find out if UK models will be equipped with Intelligent Speed Assistance - and how drivers can turn it off.
@Geffers as a brexit supporter, you'll like this one.
I wouldn't mind guessing our anti car Government and London Mayor may well make it mandatory.
Re Brexit, it was voted for but never implemented properly, certain groups have thwarted it all the way, really goes to show democracy is an illusion. How anyone can support an organisation that has 10,000 people earning more than a UK PM, also once a month transfers all business to Strasbourg for one week to, apparently, appease the French, the Schengen Border has been a disaster for European culture.
Much of Europe has moved right recently, Hungary, Poland, Italy, Netherlands, even Sweden yet UK has lurched left mainly because the Tories have been so utterly useless for 14 years. Austerity, you ain't seen nothing yet, Chagos Islands (who ever heard of them) but given up and, apparently, UK promised to pay billions over a period of 100 years. Reparations, that's the next billions to be negotiated. Home Secretary who reckons he is Caribbean and may have influence on reparations. Labour, Conservatives, not worth a carrot, any of them.
Geffers
Re Brexit, it was voted for but never implemented properly, certain groups have thwarted it all the way, really goes to show democracy is an illusion. How anyone can support an organisation that has 10,000 people earning more than a UK PM, also once a month transfers all business to Strasbourg for one week to, apparently, appease the French, the Schengen Border has been a disaster for European culture.
Much of Europe has moved right recently, Hungary, Poland, Italy, Netherlands, even Sweden yet UK has lurched left mainly because the Tories have been so utterly useless for 14 years. Austerity, you ain't seen nothing yet, Chagos Islands (who ever heard of them) but given up and, apparently, UK promised to pay billions over a period of 100 years. Reparations, that's the next billions to be negotiated. Home Secretary who reckons he is Caribbean and may have influence on reparations. Labour, Conservatives, not worth a carrot, any of them.
Geffers
Stories of the continuing brexit damage keep coming and here's another one. It's quite depressing, really.
uk.yahoo.com
Brexit deals £3bn blow to UK food exports as Starmer urged to strike deal with Brussels
British food sales to the EU have fallen by almost a fifth since the end of the Brexit transition period, a new report shows
Please sign this petition to apply for the UK to join the European Union as a full member as soon as possible.
You don't need to give your real details. All they care about are numbers of signatories.
petition.parliament.uk
You don't need to give your real details. All they care about are numbers of signatories.
Petition: Apply for the UK to join the European Union as a full member as soon as possible
I believe joining the EU would boost the economy, increase global influence, improve collaboration and provide stability & freedom. I believe that Brexit hasn't brought any tangible benefit and there is no future prospect of any, that the UK has changed its mind and that this should be recognised.
petition.parliament.uk
I wouldn't go that far and do actually have brexity friends, but I can understand his sentiment.
uk.news.yahoo.com
Jeremy Clarkson says he can’t be friends with people who voted for Brexit
‘It’s not so bad if they put their hands up and admit they made a mistake,’ ‘Clarkson’s Farm’ star said
Incredibly, here's another real, tangible, benefit of brexit, although I don't think it's going to last long as car mfrs want to harmonise with the restrictive EU laws to lower their manufacturing costs.
I could just about live with the breathalyser as I drink a negligible amount of alcohol and nowadays much prefer the zero alcohol versions of popular beers, bringing it even lower. However, the black box recorder the EU wants to install would be a nightmare. It would be big brother watching your every move as you drive, especially speed. So invasive, it would completely ruin the experience of driving for me forever. This is the kind of thing that rightly belongs on aircraft like we've had for decades. Fitting one to public service vehicles like buses and trains sounds like a reasonable idea as this is a job where the driver transports hundreds of people every day, but private cars, no way.
uk.yahoo.com
I could just about live with the breathalyser as I drink a negligible amount of alcohol and nowadays much prefer the zero alcohol versions of popular beers, bringing it even lower. However, the black box recorder the EU wants to install would be a nightmare. It would be big brother watching your every move as you drive, especially speed. So invasive, it would completely ruin the experience of driving for me forever. This is the kind of thing that rightly belongs on aircraft like we've had for decades. Fitting one to public service vehicles like buses and trains sounds like a reasonable idea as this is a job where the driver transports hundreds of people every day, but private cars, no way.
What we know about plans for 'alcolocks' and black box recorders in new UK cars
The government urged car companies to mirror EU vehicle safety standards, a move manufacturers say will cut costs and drive trade.
Watch James O'Brien lose patience with an idiot leaver who can't back up anything that he says about the alleged "benefits" of brexit and admit he's being rude to him. These people are infuriating and there are just so many of them! 
No wonder the likes of brexit, Farage and Trump happen. Nice one James, well argued and you treated him with the exasperation and contempt that he so richly deserved.
No wonder the likes of brexit, Farage and Trump happen. Nice one James, well argued and you treated him with the exasperation and contempt that he so richly deserved.This is the kind of conversation that there needs to be more of instead of the endless pandering to brexit.
I'd love to see all the rabid leavers foaming at the mouth as Britain rejoins the EU, completely impotent to do anything about it. It's been a decade already of this disaster, so it's about time.
www.theguardian.com
I'd love to see all the rabid leavers foaming at the mouth as Britain rejoins the EU, completely impotent to do anything about it. It's been a decade already of this disaster, so it's about time.
Where does UK-EU relationship stand and how might bid to rejoin bloc be received?
Labour leadership contender Wes Streeting calls Brexit a ‘catastrophic mistake’ while Andy Burnham sees ‘long-term case’ for rejoining EU
Would have liked to listen some more but O'Brien had silenced him.
I also cannot possibly understand how after all the damage that Brexit had caused, people still support it. It's beyond me.
Let's just hope that someday we will rejoin the EU, and be in a better position to confront he menace of the likes of putin and trump.
Putin was pro Brexit; that fact by itself was an ample and clear alarm signal: Don't Leave, stay in the Union.
I mean, if your enemy wants you to do something, it can't possibly be for your own good. He wants you to do something that will trip you and break your neck.
But the hordes don't get it.
I also cannot possibly understand how after all the damage that Brexit had caused, people still support it. It's beyond me.
Let's just hope that someday we will rejoin the EU, and be in a better position to confront he menace of the likes of putin and trump.
Putin was pro Brexit; that fact by itself was an ample and clear alarm signal: Don't Leave, stay in the Union.
I mean, if your enemy wants you to do something, it can't possibly be for your own good. He wants you to do something that will trip you and break your neck.
But the hordes don't get it.
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While I’m a strong remainer, I’m not sure if immediately rejoining the EU would lead to less good of a deal, as the government would be seen as unstable and lurching around.
@Mars yeah, it's annoying when they cut things off in clips like this.
+1 to everything.
I know, it's beyond idiotic how stupid people are to cling to this ideology and it seriously infuriates me. I hope we rejoin soon*, but unfortunately with Farage so fucking popular, it's seriously jeopardising it.
*A somewhat relative word in the world of politics where bad things happen quickly and good things glacially, if at all.
+1 to everything.
I know, it's beyond idiotic how stupid people are to cling to this ideology and it seriously infuriates me. I hope we rejoin soon*, but unfortunately with Farage so fucking popular, it's seriously jeopardising it.
*A somewhat relative word in the world of politics where bad things happen quickly and good things glacially, if at all.
@AllThingsTech we need to get back in as soon as possible, forget about an optimised deal, Russia's war in Ukraine is a very good reason to do so, if nothing else.
This government is already doing so badly in popularity and I think this may actually boost it as so many people now want us to rejoin. It's gonna be a mess one way or another.
This government is already doing so badly in popularity and I think this may actually boost it as so many people now want us to rejoin. It's gonna be a mess one way or another.
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@Retro were you surprised at the outcome of the Brexit referendum? I was, but then again I blame the remain campaigners for not doing a n effective job at advocating for remain, with their messaging relying too heavily on risk and economic forecasts, struggling to match the emotional appeal of the Leave campaign. Because the remain campaigners were ever so presumptive that people would know that was decision to remain is clear-cut. Yet, so many apparently didn’t even know what the EU was 
The ignorance, combined with the dominant leave campaign overshadowed the benefits of staying
The ignorance, combined with the dominant leave campaign overshadowed the benefits of staying
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I agree wholeheartedly @Retro, Labour really need to do something to stand out as different.
Especially with that mess of U-turns I spoke out about in the Labour thread, Labour need a strong, concise, direct message to stand for. I get what you’re saying about them being adaptable to changing needs and priorities, but they struggle to offer that strong, concise, direct message when they constantly make all these U-turns.
Just as per the above, I feel like voters give in to emotional appeal. Labour need to step up, get their act together and make a strong emotional appeal as to the benefits of rejoining the EU.
I agree about the glacially bit.
I can't think what it would be like if that Trump's clone gets into no.10.
Let's not be pessimistic.
Slowly we inch back towards rejoining. These conversations and articles are starting to happen now.
www.theguardian.com
Brexit may be back, but Britain needs to know what it wants
A decade after the referendum, EU leaders would welcome closer ties – once the UK has understood the European deal’
Yes, certainly going the right way.
Streeting is certainly a remainer, but apparently he's coming out strongly for rejoining to stitch up Burnham who he's competing with. Makerfield is strongly brexit (idiots), so Burnham isn't too keen to beat the rejoin drum.
Streeting is certainly a remainer, but apparently he's coming out strongly for rejoining to stitch up Burnham who he's competing with. Makerfield is strongly brexit (idiots), so Burnham isn't too keen to beat the rejoin drum.
