The Brexit Thread

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Slowly, slowly, we inch closer to rejoining the EU and this isn't the only story like this, either. We've recently rejoined the science Horizon program, under worse terms than before of course, but still, it's going the right way. I'm no fan of Rishi Sunak and he voted for brexit, but he's massively better than Boris Johnson and that's why we're going the right way. What a disaster that man was as PM.

We still need much faster progress though.

Marmalade may have to be called “citrus marmalade” under plans being considered by the Government to align Britain with European Union jam rules.

Brussels is revising its so-called “breakfast directives”, which govern European laws for jams, jellies and marmalades.

British and EU rules are currently the same because they were agreed before Brexit.

But the new legislation, which is expected to raise minimum fruit levels in jam, could see the two jurisdictions diverge.

The European Commission has proposed that for the first time, jam can be labelled marmalade, which in Britain is always made with citrus fruits.

The Italian, German and Spanish words for jam are marmellata, marmelade and mermelada respectively, but those words cannot be used on the supermarket shelves.

Under the reforms, marmalade will now be called citrus marmalade instead.

Marmalade could be renamed by jammy EU officials

Marmalade may have to be called “citrus marmalade” under plans being considered by the Government to align Britain with European Union jam rules.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

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There's a massive rejoin march on today, which oddly isn't being covered by the BBC, Sky or the right wing newspapers like The Daily Fail and The Sun. I wonder why that is? Only The Independent is covering it on its front page. Weirdly, The Guardian doesn't have it either and they're very much a Remain paper, so I'd have thought they'd cover it big time like The Independent.

Campaign to rejoin EU gathers strength at Brexit protest march

Thousands of people have joined the National Rejoin March in central London

uk.yahoo.com

Voices: The long march back to sanity starts now – we must rejoin the EU

COMMENT: Today’s National Rejoin March through central London is a chance for us all to shore up ‘remoaner’ fury at Brexit, writes Boris Johnson’s brother-in-law Ivo Dawnay. The only way to undo the damage it is doing to our country is to put an end to it

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's the campaign website:

National Rejoin March

marchforrejoin.co.uk

 

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A bit more Googling has found that GB News (spit) and The Express are reporting it, albeit from their own jaundiced pro brexit stance, but at least it's there.

 

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The Guardian has finally covered it, but still nothing from the BBC.

Brexit called ‘a huge mistake’ by protesters at rally in London

National Rejoin March culminated in demonstration in Parliament Square calling for the UK to rejoin the EU

www.theguardian.com

 

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It's galling to see the Lib Dems continuing to pander to brexit. They switched from hardcore Remain before the 2019 general election to this shit immediately afterwards. Gutless, they deserve their continuing failure to get votes.

John Curtice: Lib Dems are losing votes to Labour

The polling guru says the party is struggling to attract voters who would like to rejoin the EU.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Crims]

It's galling to see the Lib Dems continuing to pander to brexit. They switched from hardcore Remain before the 2019 general election to this shit immediately afterwards. Gutless, they deserve their continuing failure to get votes.

Lib Dems were remain? A lot of hot air. Tbh I don't hold any of them accountable seeing how we are.

 

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Yeah, before the 2019 election, they had it as a manifesto promise that they would scrap brexit if they were voted into power. While I agreed with that policy, we saw how catastrophically that turned out, with the tories winning with an 80 seat majority ffs and brexit happening, no second referendum. There was something very iffy in how Jo Swinson helped that general election to take place and hopefully, one day the truth will come out in a nice scandal. Not holding my breath though.

 

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@Crims I've updated my comment above a little bit if you'd like a read. Same meaning, just a little clearer.

 

[Crims]

@Crims I've updated my comment above a little bit if you'd like a read. Same meaning, just a little clearer.

Tories or no, if the party has values they shouldn't adapt them for the people in this instance.

 

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Brexit still has momentum and the politicians pandering to it, ruling out rejoining - the one thing we should do and the EU have said they want us back - even though brexit regret is growing and yet, according to this article, despite this, the chances of us rejoing are growing less over time. See the analysis of what the great British publish think about rejoining to see why even the Lib Dems, the most pro EU party don't talk about rejoining. It's infuriating.

I can only think let's wait for Labour to get into power and see what happens then, but I'm not hopeful.

Why are the parties able to largely ignore Brexit? Well there’s a paradox. When people are questioned about it - support for rejoining is strong. As previously mentioned, a WeThink poll from the 12 to 13 October found 63% of people are in favour of rejoining, while 37% want to stay out of Europe.

Brexit regret, Bregret, has been steadily increasing over the past year, as people have equated leaving the EU with economic struggles. For the first time recently, a plurality of people wanted a fresh referendum in the next decade.

However, despite all of this - most people are ambivalent or even fatigued about the Brexit debate. Polling from UK in a Changing Europe found “respondents express a real sense of fatigue around the Brexit debate and high levels of indifference towards the future of the UK-EU relationship. Even around a third of Remainers now feel indifferent about its current status”.

A new Brexit consensus is emerging amongst Tories and Labour - and it leaves rejoiners out in the cold

A new Brexit political consensus is emerging, and despite Bregret reaching record levels it's bad news for rejoiners.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

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Another "benefit" of brexit rears its ugly head. As if the widespread dumping of raw, untreated sewage into rivers wasn't bad enough, it's now going to get even worse as the UK diverges from strict EU rules. Just don't go in the water, mkay?

We can't get back into the EU soon enough.

The UK government is to diverge from the EU’s standards for monitoring water quality in England, it can be revealed.

Campaigners fear the change of approach could lead to more pollution in England’s rivers and waterways if the new measuring methods are less rigorous.

While in the EU, England was covered by the water framework directive (WFD), which meant a national chemical and ecological survey of rivers was conducted annually. After Brexit, the WFD was transposed into English law but the government removed the requirement to conduct annual tests.

This is the latest example of the UK diverging from EU environmental standards. Recent analysis found that many toxic chemicals and pesticides banned in the bloc since Brexit are not outlawed for use in the UK. Ministers have also sought to rip up EU-derived sewage pollution rules for housebuilders.

England to diverge from EU water monitoring standards

Exclusive: campaigners fear less rigorous methods could lead to more pollution in rivers and waterways

www.theguardian.com

We need better tap water quality too.

Experts call for tighter limits on 'forever chemicals' in water

A group of leading scientists have said the current levels of PFAS could be damaging to human health.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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Another "benefit" of brexit. And yet, there's no sign of it being reversed anytime soon. That's a human rights violation, not "democracy".

Prepare for this general election to be the most toxic ever, thanks to Farage and Reform UK | Simon Jenkins

Immigration is not a top issue, yet both the Tories and Labour are focused on it – and the insurgent party is ready to capitalise, says Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins

www.theguardian.com

 

[Crims]

Thanks for updating with this stuff, it's usually hidden.

 

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Anytime and feel free to add brexit news if you like. This thread is for anyone to contribute, not just me.

 

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"Get brexit undone!" Too right.

What the UK wants for Christmas is to get Brexit undone

Importers, exporters, private citizens and the Labour party all urgently need the economy to function better than this

uk.finance.yahoo.com

 

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Nobody likes brexit except hardcore leavers with their stupid ideology and or vested interests.

Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll

Only one in 10 feel leaving the EU has helped their finances, while just 9% say it has benefited the NHS, despite £350m a week pledge

www.theguardian.com

 

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More benefits of brexit. Shame they're all negative, eh? Kemi Badenoch is lying.

‘It’s all a bit marginal’: claims of Brexit trade perks don’t add up, say firms

A business department report trumpeting the four-year benefits of leaving the EU does not match the reality faced by companies

www.theguardian.com

 

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Brexit continues to bite ever harder as our food prices are gonna rise and choice reduced.

When in the EU, we had frictionless trade with no tariffs and little fraud. All that's been thrown out the window now for this sham brexit and yet it's hardly talked about. As it bites harder, blame directly onto brexit is gonna be deflected away again as not being done properly or whatever and the pandering will continue.

Also, note the government's timing, just a few months before Labour is likely to win the election, so that they will have to deal with this tory mess.

Once again, there are no brexit benefits.

The government has revealed how much companies will have to pay to import foods from the EU due to Brexit.

Small imports of products such as fish, salami, sausage, cheese and yoghurt will be subject to fees of up to £145 from 30 April, according to the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA).

The Cold Chain Federation said the new charges would hit food prices.

Food price fears as Brexit import charges revealed

Fees of up £145 will be levied on imports of fish, salami, sausage, cheese and yoghurt, the government says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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Macron is calling out brexit or what it is, so why can't people here do that and finally push back against it? It's infuriating how brexit is effectvely still being pandered to as it continues to damage the country. It's being ignored like it's yesterday's news when it's actually still very much current and responsible for so many of the problems that we've got now.

A while back, brexit was finally starting to be discussed in the mainstream media, such as LBC phone-ins and news articles etc, but then instead of gaining momentum, it just fizzled out again.

What does it take for the cult of brexit to finally die? Getting the tories out is the starting point and it looks very much like they're gonna be out at the general election this year, thankfully. Let's see what happens with a Labour government and their push for closer ties with the EU.

Brexit has “impoverished” the UK and failed to solve the country’s immigration problems, Emmanuel Macron has said.

The French president also took aim at European nationalists ahead of the bloc’s elections in June, saying they were all “hidden Brexiteers”.

“Brexit has impoverished the United Kingdom,” he told The Economist. “Brexit has done nothing to solve immigration in the UK. Well, despite that, some people think it doesn’t look so bad. But nobody dares to say that anything is wrong. And so nobody is taking responsibility for anything.”

Mr Macron also accused Europe’s nationalists of “distorting the European debate” and glossing over the risks of leaving.

He said: “I say to Europeans: Wake up. Wake up! They are hidden Brexiteers. All European nationalists are hidden Brexiteers. It’s all the same lies.

Brexit has ‘impoverished’ Britain and failed to curb migration, claims Macron

Brexit has “impoverished” the UK and failed to solve the country’s immigration problems, Emmanuel Macron has said.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

[live627]

Britannia doesn't rule the world. Perhaps the reticence comes from those who voted for it. You played yourselves, and are now more open to being used as a puppet. Oh, wait, the EU is already a puppet state.

 

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I almost liked your post for making a great point until I read the following:

Oh, wait, the EU is already a puppet state.

You're so nearly there!

 

[live627]

lol

I won't say who's the puppet master.

 

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Another "benefit" of brexit. This is affecting millions of people across the country and can even have fatal consequences at its worst. Still want to vote tory in the upcoming general election? Think again.

Survey has revealed challenges faced by pharmacists and risk of harm to patients as key drugs are unavailable.

Drug shortages in England are now at such critical levels that patients are at risk of immediate harm and even death, pharmacists have warned.

The situation is so serious that pharmacists increasingly have to issue “owings” to patients – telling someone that only part of their prescription can be dispensed and asking them to come back for the rest of it later, once the pharmacist has sourced the remainder.

Hundreds of different drugs have become hard or impossible to obtain, according to Community Pharmacy England (CPE), which published the report. Widespread and often long-lasting shortages posed “immediate risks to patient health and wellbeing” and caused distress, it said.

“The medicine supply challenges being faced by community pharmacies and their patients are beyond critical,” said Janet Morrison, CPE’s chief executive. “Patients with a wide range of clinical and therapeutic needs are being affected on a daily basis and this is going far beyond inconvenience, leading to frustration, anxiety and affecting their health.

Medicine shortages in England ‘beyond critical’, pharmacists warn

Survey has revealed challenges faced by pharmacists and risk of harm to patients as key drugs are unavailable

www.theguardian.com

 

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Here's another article on how brexit is really screwing up the availability of meds - and, crucially, brexit is being recognized as the culprit.

Almost half of adults in the UK have struggled to get medicine they have been prescribed – and more people blame Brexit than anything else for the situation, research shows.

Forty-nine per cent of people said they had had trouble getting a prescription dispensed over the past two years, the period during which supply problems have increased sharply.

Drug shortages are so serious that one in 12 Britons were unable to find the medication they needed, despite asking a number of pharmacies.

Almost half of UK adults struggling to get prescription drugs amid shortages

Survey finds more people blame Brexit than anything else for supply problems

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mars]

As you said, brexit is a cult, and it is nigh on impossible to make a cult follower see reality beyond the dictates of their cult.
BUT, what is happening here, is actually worse! The idiots brought the disaster called 'brexit' upon themselves, now they are wallowing in crap, but will NEVER admit it.

I do not trust any political party to take us back into Europe.
I find it very telling that dear mr starmer is schtum about it as well; he talks about strengthening ties with the EU, but never really comes out and admits to the horrible damage inflicted on this country due to brexit.
OK I understand, he does not want to lose votes....lame excuse.
No, I do not believe he will mend the broken NHS; he promises....promises are cheap and easy.

What is happening with the shortage of medicines is beyond disgrace; in fact, it borders on the criminal.
It is a chance for an opposition leader, especially a Labour leader, to point out how vital it is that we rejoin the EU, how brexit is an almighty disaster that may cause people's death; but he does not.

Yeah, I guess this is politics; obviously a politician I am not.