The Brexit Thread

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Slowly, slowly, we inch closer to rejoining the EU and this isn't the only story like this, either. We've recently rejoined the science Horizon program, under worse terms than before of course, but still, it's going the right way. I'm no fan of Rishi Sunak and he voted for brexit, but he's massively better than Boris Johnson and that's why we're going the right way. What a disaster that man was as PM.

We still need much faster progress though.

Marmalade may have to be called “citrus marmalade” under plans being considered by the Government to align Britain with European Union jam rules.

Brussels is revising its so-called “breakfast directives”, which govern European laws for jams, jellies and marmalades.

British and EU rules are currently the same because they were agreed before Brexit.

But the new legislation, which is expected to raise minimum fruit levels in jam, could see the two jurisdictions diverge.

The European Commission has proposed that for the first time, jam can be labelled marmalade, which in Britain is always made with citrus fruits.

The Italian, German and Spanish words for jam are marmellata, marmelade and mermelada respectively, but those words cannot be used on the supermarket shelves.

Under the reforms, marmalade will now be called citrus marmalade instead.

Marmalade could be renamed by jammy EU officials

Marmalade may have to be called “citrus marmalade” under plans being considered by the Government to align Britain with European Union jam rules.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

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There's a massive rejoin march on today, which oddly isn't being covered by the BBC, Sky or the right wing newspapers like The Daily Fail and The Sun. I wonder why that is? Only The Independent is covering it on its front page. Weirdly, The Guardian doesn't have it either and they're very much a Remain paper, so I'd have thought they'd cover it big time like The Independent.

Campaign to rejoin EU gathers strength at Brexit protest march

Thousands of people have joined the National Rejoin March in central London

uk.yahoo.com

Voices: The long march back to sanity starts now – we must rejoin the EU

COMMENT: Today’s National Rejoin March through central London is a chance for us all to shore up ‘remoaner’ fury at Brexit, writes Boris Johnson’s brother-in-law Ivo Dawnay. The only way to undo the damage it is doing to our country is to put an end to it

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's the campaign website:

National Rejoin March

marchforrejoin.co.uk

 

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A bit more Googling has found that GB News (spit) and The Express are reporting it, albeit from their own jaundiced pro brexit stance, but at least it's there.

 

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The Guardian has finally covered it, but still nothing from the BBC.

Brexit called ‘a huge mistake’ by protesters at rally in London

National Rejoin March culminated in demonstration in Parliament Square calling for the UK to rejoin the EU

www.theguardian.com

 

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It's galling to see the Lib Dems continuing to pander to brexit. They switched from hardcore Remain before the 2019 general election to this shit immediately afterwards. Gutless, they deserve their continuing failure to get votes.

John Curtice: Lib Dems are losing votes to Labour

The polling guru says the party is struggling to attract voters who would like to rejoin the EU.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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It's galling to see the Lib Dems continuing to pander to brexit. They switched from hardcore Remain before the 2019 general election to this shit immediately afterwards. Gutless, they deserve their continuing failure to get votes.

Lib Dems were remain? A lot of hot air. Tbh I don't hold any of them accountable seeing how we are.

 

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Yeah, before the 2019 election, they had it as a manifesto promise that they would scrap brexit if they were voted into power. While I agreed with that policy, we saw how catastrophically that turned out, with the tories winning with an 80 seat majority ffs and brexit happening, no second referendum. There was something very iffy in how Jo Swinson helped that general election to take place and hopefully, one day the truth will come out in a nice scandal. Not holding my breath though.

 

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@Crims I've updated my comment above a little bit if you'd like a read. Same meaning, just a little clearer.

 

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@Crims I've updated my comment above a little bit if you'd like a read. Same meaning, just a little clearer.

Tories or no, if the party has values they shouldn't adapt them for the people in this instance.

 

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Brexit still has momentum and the politicians pandering to it, ruling out rejoining - the one thing we should do and the EU have said they want us back - even though brexit regret is growing and yet, according to this article, despite this, the chances of us rejoing are growing less over time. See the analysis of what the great British publish think about rejoining to see why even the Lib Dems, the most pro EU party don't talk about rejoining. It's infuriating.

I can only think let's wait for Labour to get into power and see what happens then, but I'm not hopeful.

Why are the parties able to largely ignore Brexit? Well there’s a paradox. When people are questioned about it - support for rejoining is strong. As previously mentioned, a WeThink poll from the 12 to 13 October found 63% of people are in favour of rejoining, while 37% want to stay out of Europe.

Brexit regret, Bregret, has been steadily increasing over the past year, as people have equated leaving the EU with economic struggles. For the first time recently, a plurality of people wanted a fresh referendum in the next decade.

However, despite all of this - most people are ambivalent or even fatigued about the Brexit debate. Polling from UK in a Changing Europe found “respondents express a real sense of fatigue around the Brexit debate and high levels of indifference towards the future of the UK-EU relationship. Even around a third of Remainers now feel indifferent about its current status”.

A new Brexit consensus is emerging amongst Tories and Labour - and it leaves rejoiners out in the cold

A new Brexit political consensus is emerging, and despite Bregret reaching record levels it's bad news for rejoiners.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

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Another "benefit" of brexit rears its ugly head. As if the widespread dumping of raw, untreated sewage into rivers wasn't bad enough, it's now going to get even worse as the UK diverges from strict EU rules. Just don't go in the water, mkay?

We can't get back into the EU soon enough.

The UK government is to diverge from the EU’s standards for monitoring water quality in England, it can be revealed.

Campaigners fear the change of approach could lead to more pollution in England’s rivers and waterways if the new measuring methods are less rigorous.

While in the EU, England was covered by the water framework directive (WFD), which meant a national chemical and ecological survey of rivers was conducted annually. After Brexit, the WFD was transposed into English law but the government removed the requirement to conduct annual tests.

This is the latest example of the UK diverging from EU environmental standards. Recent analysis found that many toxic chemicals and pesticides banned in the bloc since Brexit are not outlawed for use in the UK. Ministers have also sought to rip up EU-derived sewage pollution rules for housebuilders.

England to diverge from EU water monitoring standards

Exclusive: campaigners fear less rigorous methods could lead to more pollution in rivers and waterways

www.theguardian.com

We need better tap water quality too.

Experts call for tighter limits on 'forever chemicals' in water

A group of leading scientists have said the current levels of PFAS could be damaging to human health.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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Another "benefit" of brexit. And yet, there's no sign of it being reversed anytime soon. That's a human rights violation, not "democracy".

Prepare for this general election to be the most toxic ever, thanks to Farage and Reform UK | Simon Jenkins

Immigration is not a top issue, yet both the Tories and Labour are focused on it – and the insurgent party is ready to capitalise, says Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins

www.theguardian.com

 

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Thanks for updating with this stuff, it's usually hidden.

 

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Anytime and feel free to add brexit news if you like. This thread is for anyone to contribute, not just me.

 

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"Get brexit undone!" Too right.

What the UK wants for Christmas is to get Brexit undone

Importers, exporters, private citizens and the Labour party all urgently need the economy to function better than this

uk.finance.yahoo.com

 

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Nobody likes brexit except hardcore leavers with their stupid ideology and or vested interests.

Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll

Only one in 10 feel leaving the EU has helped their finances, while just 9% say it has benefited the NHS, despite £350m a week pledge

www.theguardian.com

 

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More benefits of brexit. Shame they're all negative, eh? Kemi Badenoch is lying.

‘It’s all a bit marginal’: claims of Brexit trade perks don’t add up, say firms

A business department report trumpeting the four-year benefits of leaving the EU does not match the reality faced by companies

www.theguardian.com

 

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Brexit continues to bite ever harder as our food prices are gonna rise and choice reduced.

When in the EU, we had frictionless trade with no tariffs and little fraud. All that's been thrown out the window now for this sham brexit and yet it's hardly talked about. As it bites harder, blame directly onto brexit is gonna be deflected away again as not being done properly or whatever and the pandering will continue.

Also, note the government's timing, just a few months before Labour is likely to win the election, so that they will have to deal with this tory mess.

Once again, there are no brexit benefits.

The government has revealed how much companies will have to pay to import foods from the EU due to Brexit.

Small imports of products such as fish, salami, sausage, cheese and yoghurt will be subject to fees of up to £145 from 30 April, according to the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA).

The Cold Chain Federation said the new charges would hit food prices.

Food price fears as Brexit import charges revealed

Fees of up £145 will be levied on imports of fish, salami, sausage, cheese and yoghurt, the government says.

www.bbc.co.uk