The Trump thread

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Oh yes for sure. I think they engineered an unacceptable deal for Zelensky so that he'd reject it.

Since simply abandoning Ukraine would look bad, they made sure that Zelensky couldn't accept such a bad deal without security guarantees and then blamed him for continuing the war. Gaslighting at its worst. It's a really nasty tactic and just what one would expect from a Russian asset.

It's never been clearer that Trump is on Putin's side and his puppet. It scares me that a Russian asset is now the American president and it should scare any sane person too.

 

[Mars]

This meeting probably should have been private.

Trump said it made for a good TV,whatever he meant by this.......

 

[Mars]

It's never been clearer that Trump is on Putin's side and his puppet. It scares me that a Russian asset is now the American president and it should scare any sane person too.

yes, it is scary, I try not to dwell on it because the thought of the US and Russia in bed together is the definition of Nightmare Come True.

 

[Astro What]

Trump said it made for a good TV,whatever he meant by this.......

Exactly what I referenced earlier. He's all about show, very little about go.

 

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There has been a great deal of fallout since that disastrous meeting two days ago. Here are some articles on it, in order of publication.

The Trump-Putin Axis came fully out of the closet today.

You can say that again:

Opinion: Trump Thinks He Humiliated Zelensky. He Really Humiliated the United States

The Trump-Putin Axis came fully out of the closet today. The new U.S. administration has clearly embraced what might be called a “mob boss” foreign policy—because of the criminal pasts of the men who are leading it and because of the tactics they appear to favor. In an Oval Office meeting with...

uk.news.yahoo.com

‘Trump is abandoning Ukraine and wants a weaker EU’: Dominique de Villepin on Europe’s moment of truth

The former French PM says the US is no longer an ally of Europe – but has joined Russia and China as an ‘illiberal superpower’

www.theguardian.com

Yup, dictator Trump is what Trump's after which he's been hinting about for years. You better believe it.

Trump’s ‘bald power grab’ could set US on path to dictatorship, critics fear

Little-noticed order that gives US president powers far beyond mere oversight denounced as ‘breathtaking’

uk.news.yahoo.com

I'm hardly surprised and Trump won't like it.

Pro-Ukraine protests erupt across US after Trump and Vance ‘ambush’ Zelenskyy

Demonstrators surge in Vermont, New York City and Boston after Oval Office debacle with US president and vice-president

www.theguardian.com

Zelensky is right there:

Zelenskyy offers no apology to Trump and says row brought nothing positive

Ukraine’s president says after Oval Office meltdown that when delicate talks are held in public, ‘foes can take advantage’

www.theguardian.com

Here's one from 2019 explaining how the Russians have been interested for years in recruiting Trump, turning him into an asset. That disasaster was the clearest signal yet that they were successful, among all the other tells over recent years. This is why they wanted him to run for president in 2015. If only people hadn't been so stupid to vote for him the world wouldn't be in this mess now. Seriously, people in the West shouldn't sit too comfortably now.

Russian Interference: Recruiting Donald Trump – the Early Years

Russian Intelligence expert Zarina Zabrisky tracks back the decades-long dossier on the US President.

bylinetimes.com

 

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Here's an article from the day before the disaster explaining how Trump is realigning America with Russia. Worrying, no?

Opinion | Trump's actions at the UN represent a radical new realignment with Russia

The U.S.'s actions at the United Nations this week make clear that Trump is pursuing a new global order.

www.msnbc.com

 

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But of course.

 

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And also but of course.

 

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They're still talking about this disastrous meeting on the radio three days later, it was that bad. Also, I'm not the only one who thinks that Trump and Vance set this up deliberately so that it gave them an allegedly plausible reason to deny Ukraine all further aid from America, which oddly enough, they're now suggesting. As I said in my previous post:

Since simply abandoning Ukraine would look bad, they made sure that Zelensky couldn't accept such a bad deal without security guarantees and then blamed him for continuing the war. Gaslighting at its worst. It's a really nasty tactic and just what one would expect from a Russian asset.

From the article below, here's that other person who thinks this was a setup and there must surely be many others who think so too.

A heated exchange between US President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was a "propaganda setup," says SkyBridge founder Anthony Scaramucci, who briefly served as White House communications director in Trump's first administration.

"It felt like a setup to me. It felt like they brought him in to rough him up like that, I guess, to humiliate him and get him to resign because he's a very strong leader... It was a propaganda setup, frankly."

Trump, Zelensky meeting was a 'propaganda setup': Scaramucci

A heated exchange between US President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was a "propaganda setup," says SkyBridge founder Anthony Scaramucci, who briefly served as White House communications director in Trump's first administration. "It felt like...

uk.finance.yahoo.com

 

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Oh look, aid to Ukraine is now "paused" after blaming that clusterfuck in the Oval Office on Friday on Zelensky, as if it wasn't actually a setup by Trump and Vance. What a complete surprise. Anyone placing bets that soon enough it's gonna be cancelled altogether?

US vice president JD Vance accused Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky of “needling” Donald Trump and having a “certain sense of entitlement” as the US President paused aid to Ukraine.

The development comes as Mr Trump seeks to pressure Mr Zelensky into committing to peace talks with Russia, following their tense confrontation in the Oval Office last week.

JD Vance issues fresh Zelensky criticism as Trump pauses US aid to Ukraine

Defence Secretary John Healey is expected to visit the US later this week for talks with his counterpart Pete Hegseth.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

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The obstacles that Trump faces to achieve a third term are "nigh on impossible" according to the article. However, he beat nigh on impossible odds to beat those four criminal lawsuits against him, so don't be too confident that he won't achieve this as well. That really would be a disaster.

Heck, I wouldn't put it past him to rig it so that he doesn't even need an election, he just stays in power indefinitely. Sounds impossible, right? Dunno, it's a very tall order, but time will tell.

Opinion | The enormous obstacles to Trump’s dream of a third term

The 22nd Amendment has plenty to say about this MAGA fantasy.

www.msnbc.com

 

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What more proof does one need that Trump is on Russia's side? I've said for years that he'll throw Ukraine under the bus and now this is how he's going about it. First he causes that clusterfuck of an argument in the Oval Office, then "pauses" all aid (permanent, much?), now he prevents the UK from sharing American intelligence data with them to put Ukraine at a serious disadvantage with Russia.

And in the middle of all this, is Zelensky desperately clinging to the hope of signing this minerals deal to ensure some American support. He's dreaming, or maybe he's doing it for the optics, not sure which. I can seriously see America attacking Ukraine directly with their weapons if all this doesn't bring them down.

The US has reportedly banned the UK from sharing American intelligence with Ukraine, in a move which could seriously hinder Kyiv’s efforts to fight Russia.

The Daily Mail reported on Tuesday night that British intelligence agencies and military outlets have been ordered not to share the US-generated intelligence which has previously sent to Ukraine (known as Rel UKR).

As Kyiv has been sharing information with Western security partners – like the US, the UK, Australia and New Zealand – since Vladimir Putin invaded, this is likely to impact Ukraine’s ability to deter Russian forces.

US 'Bans UK From Sharing Any American Military Intelligence With Ukraine'

It appears to be part of Donald Trump's more sceptical approach towards to Kyiv.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

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And whatever "special relationship" we had with America has now evaporated. Hardly surprising now that Trump has turned America into a Russian ally. It just keeps getting worse.

Something seismic has changed in the US-British relationship that will require the UK to look elsewhere for allies and accept that deals such as cooperation over the British nuclear deterrent are now in question, a former British ambassador to Washington has said.

Sir David Manning told a Lords select committee on international relations that something fundamental was happening to the special relationship and the change was not a blip.

Speaking alongside three other former UK ambassadors to Washington, he added that a divergence in values as much as policy was driving the two countries apart.

All four warned that future intelligence sharing with the top level of the Trump administration, once the bedrock of the relationship, was likely to become more difficult.

‘Seismic’ shift in UK-US relations is not a blip, warns ex-ambassador

Sir David Manning and other former diplomats highlight major changes in ‘special relationship’

www.theguardian.com

 

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If you want to hate Trump and Musk that little bit more, here's something to hate over. Multibillionaires screwing up the population's benefits and retirement.

Opinion | Elon Musk said Social Security is a 'Ponzi scheme.' It's the opposite.

Musk's agenda to sow mistrust about Social Security looks like a pretext for unpopular cuts.

www.msnbc.com

 

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Oh, please let this be true! Thing is, he's already on his second term, so what has he to lose by being unpopular? On top of that, if he somehow manages to cling to power for a third term or even indefinitely (see post 1411) then it will matter even less, allowing him to ride roughshod over the whole nation. This apocalyptic scenario is thankfully not very likely to happen, if nothing else, because at his age, Father Time will come calling and force him to switch off forever.

Over the last six weeks, President Trump has been spending political capital like a drunk at a casino who insists he’s got “a system.” If history is any predictor, his second term trajectory may already be set — right off a cliff, pedal to the floor.

Opinion - Trump may have already planted the seeds of his political collapse

If history is any predictor, Trump's second term trajectory may already be set — right off a cliff, pedal to the floor.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

[Mars]

oh please bring it on, this is like music to my ears; hopefully his acolytes will wisen up, I mean, after that enlightening advice from Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins, for folks to counter the rising cost of eggs by raising chickens in their own back yards....is she for real ???

Now we need the free-world nations to seriously take notice of his loving relationship with Russia: unless they want putin's tentacles all over the place, they should, to all intents and purposes, put a stop to any exchange of security-sensitive data with this derelict tyrant.

Let's go then, trumpy, right off the cliff, pedal to the metal, GO!!!!

 

[Astro What]

Yep, Trump and Musk can be trusted to tell you the truth. Sure the Doge boys are all doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

Some DOGE Staffers Are Drawing Six-Figure Government Salaries

Engineers and executives at the so-called Department of Government Efficiency are drawing healthy taxpayer-funded salaries—sometimes from the very agencies they are cutting.

www.wired.com

 

[Mars]

...why doesn't it surprise me.
By now, I believe those lying dirt bags may well know they will not be voted in again, but they don't care, they knew it all along.
Now they have four years to line their filthy pockets and laugh all the way to the bank.
So they rake in all the money they can, lie and cheat, tell people to raise chickens if they can't afford to buy eggs......

 

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Trump is a Putin puppet and / or a fool. Check out this analysis of the current situation with Ukraine.

Trump Is Offering Putin Another Munich

Hitler didn’t want a peace deal, and neither does Putin.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

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Oh, this is nice. This woman voted Trump and has now got what she voted for: to be fired from her job for no reason. This is so heartwarming, isn't it? May all the Trump voters be the first to be fired.

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