The Anti-Car Thread

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Rowan Atkinson has gotten criticised by the green lobby for telling it like it is about electric cars. Did you know that he's got degrees in electrical engineering and control systems? Respect and this gives his opinion more credibility on this issue.

The fact is that the power source for electric cars isn't good enough - the battery. We need batteries, fuel cells, or other sources of energy that compete with petrol and diesel on performance, especially the number one criteria, energy density. Batteries have way less energy density than these.

Also, when one compares the whole life cycle of electric cars from mining for materials, to manufacture, to ownership use and scrappage with those of regular cars, their environmental credentials don't look so great. This is something that tends to be kept under wraps by the green lobby.

 

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Why "gotten!? What's wrong with "been"?

I love the idea that Rowan Atkinson is blamed for poor sales - with all his money he was expected to buy hundreds of electric cars - but he didn't. Not one! Quite disgraceful! :)
 

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Why "gotten!? What's wrong with "been"?

I love the idea that Rowan Atkinson is blamed for poor sales - with all his money he was expected to buy hundreds of electric cars - but he didn't. Not one! Quite disgraceful! :)

Gotten because it's what came to mind. Seriously, I couldn't think of what word to put there lol, so phrased it like that. Been would have been a bit better, agreed.

omg, how dare he not singlehandedly prop up the failing electric car industry! :eek:

I like Rowan Atkinson and appreciate logic too....he is not the reason for poor electric car sales. Electric cars speak for themselves with their performance issues...the good and the bad.
Indeed he's not the reason for crappy sales - its crappy, overhyped and grossly overpriced cars with crappy range that's killing their sales. The British media is having a flipping field day with this one, asking the question, "Could Rowan Atkinson have killed electric car sales with his opinion piece in the Guardian last June?" as if that's some kind of high bar of journalism. Pathetic. @TheURL I'm sure you agree with this, too. :)
 

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Seems like there's a lot of sway put toward electric vehicles. I was looking through my old post on the thread of electric vehicles and the grumpy motorcyclist's rant about EVs was taken down, so clearly there's an agenda.
 

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Seems like there's a lot of sway put toward electric vehicles. I was looking through my old post on the thread of electric vehicles and the grumpy motorcyclist's rant about EVs was taken down, so clearly there's an agenda.
There's an agenda alright. The mantra is electric and no one is allowed to disagree with it!

To clarify for those reading this thread, Crims's post was taken down on another forum, not NerdZone. I'd never do that to a member for something like this.
 

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There's an agenda alright. The mantra is electric and no one is allowed to disagree with it!

To clarify for those reading this thread, Crims's post was taken down on another forum, not NerdZone. I'd never do that to a member for something like this.
Actually, I mean the thread here. The Youtube video was removed by the creator or some EV company.
 

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The Mercedes AA class luxury sedan - battery powered.

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Haha love that. :ROFLMAO: I so wanna rush out and buy an overpriced electric car now!
 

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But, critically, what size were they? This would help determine the size of the present that wasn't included.
 

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Oh all different sizes; from button batteries up to 9v PP9s. Then there would be the right one for almost any present they bought. :)
 
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This isn't directly anti-car, but it does show up the failings of the "smart" motorway concept. Good thing the government finally scrapped all further implentations of this ridiculous system, so now we need it scrapped altogether which the tories refuse to do. Hopefully, an incoming Labour government will do so, but I wouldn't bank on it.

The smart motorways computer safety system shut down across the country, leading to a “terrifying” six-car pile up after a vehicle broke down in a live lane, The Telegraph can reveal.

A whistleblower has told how National Highways’ systems “crashed”, which disabled radar technology that detects stranded vehicles, leaving control room staff unable to close lanes to traffic, set speed limits and electronic signs or use CCTV cameras.

The “catastrophic failure” culminated in a pile-up on the southbound M6 on Jan 19 when a car was left a “sitting duck” after breaking down on the inside lane, which used to be a hard shoulder.

 

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I normally like the EU as many people know, but not when it comes to their anti-car policies and now this crappy government is following suit.

From July, all new cars will be required to have speed limiters installed by default, strictly enforcing the posted speed limit. Of course, disabling the speed limiter will void your warranty and car insurance. This punitive restriction, as usual is done "for us" in the name of "safety". Yeah, sure. Imagine being forced to rigidly stick to the now widespread 20mph limit. It would drive me nuts. 30 is too slow, let alone that.

And will it alert the halfwit who does 30 in a 40 to go faster? No, thought not. You wouldn't believe how many I see doing this nowadays. Got stuck behind one the other day, got a bit closer, but not really enough to be tailgating, and flashed my lights repeatedly which, amazingly, actually worked. They very slowly sped up to just about 40, almost, so some improvement. When the road became a dual carriageway, I finally overtook them and the relief was enormous. This crap really incites road rage, I tell you. Traffic calming my ass.

Experts are urging drivers to prepare for new motoring law changes that are set to be introduced within the next few months.

Speed limiters have been commonplace in vehicles for a number of years, with experts praising the feature as boosting road safety and ensuring driver stick to the limit.

The European Union outlined that speed limiters have been a legal requirement for all new cars manufactured in the continent since July 6, 2022.

The Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) technology uses GPS and traffic sign data to issue a warning to drivers when they are going over the speed limit on the road they're travelling on.

Driving law changes launching within months could see speed limiters installed in British vehicle
 

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......From July, all new cars will be required to have speed limiters installed by default, strictly enforcing the posted speed limit. Of course, disabling the speed limiter will void your warranty and car insurance. This punitive restriction, as usual is done "for us" in the name of "safety".....Yeah, sure. Imagine being forced to rigidly stick to the now widespread 20mph limit. It would drive me nuts. 30 is too slow, let alone that.....
.....Traffic calming my ass.

Driving law changes launching within months could see speed limiters installed in British vehicle
Infuriating! Few choice words is all that comes to my mind after reading this....and heartfelt ill-wishes to those who are going to implement this latest hellish restriction.
Talking about eroding our freedoms; hell, eroding our liberties!!!
 

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@live627 Here's the website of the 20s plenty propaganda campaign:


What a load of tosh.
That proposal sounds reasonable, but might become a mess in practice. 20 is a good speeds for residential areas, but what is residential when all you have is mixed use developments everywhere? The image I have in my head is of a side street in Manhattan (one of five boroughs of New York City) where a shop is on the ground floor and apartments in the floors above where you wouldn't want to go much faster than 20.

But most towns in America are never than NYC and have clear separation between both residential and commercial zones. The urban planning youtubers like Not Just Bikes famously decry zoning laws which prohibit new mixed use developments.

Most States here across the pond have similar laws

 
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