The Trump downfall thread

[Astro What]

Just imagine if there's no inauguration, then he doesn't get to become president on that day!

And odds are the GOP VP choice would. Just as bad of a choice.

 

[Retro]

He's pretty bad agreed, but I don't think he's quite as bad as Trump tbh. Trump's badness seems to know no limits and he's so fucking wiley, too. That's how he manages to beat the system every time, with his wealth as the other half of the equation.

 

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A huge part of the reason that Trump has been reelected being a travesty, is that he's disqualified from being president again due to the Jan 6 insurrection and hence should never have been on the ballot, but the people in power have been too chicken to hold him to account, although Constitutional Amendment 14 Section 3 clear states that he is and is self executing. However, it's still technically possible to do it, even at this late stage, but I can't see it happening. What a tragedy.

More analysis from Glenn Kirschner on this on Brian's channel, regarding a The Hill article that was written about this.

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It's so plainly obvious to anyone who sees the facts of the case and understands the law as explained above that Trump's disqualified that it's really painful to see this criminal getting into power a second time and his obnoxious ways. Don't worry, he'll be very aware of this possibility of being stopped at the last minute and will have done all the bribing and blackmailing in the background necessary to make sure that he gets into power. Truly sickening.

 

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I always said Trump is helping Putin, no matter how obliquely and now the Kremlin is frigging crowing about it. This is what we have to look forward to in 2025 which begins in just a few hours now. I don't think it's going to be a happy new year at all.

President-elect Donald Trump’s social media posts about annexing Greenland, Canada, and the Panama Canal startled America’s allies and delighted foreign foes. In Russia, the statements were interpreted to mean that Trump isn’t really opposed to foreign wars of conquest after all.

To them, Trump’s tirades revealed that—just like Russian President Vladimir Putin—Trump would be delighted to invade any country that couldn’t fight back. He would expect accolades and a lavish victory parade after seizing foreign territories, just like the fallout from Russia stealing Crimea in 2014.

Trump infamously described the annexation of Crimea as a “genius” and “savvy” move.

Kremlin Insiders Reveal How Trump Is Already Secretly Helping Putin

President-elect Donald Trump’s social media posts about annexing Greenland, Canada, and the Panama Canal startled America’s allies and delighted foreign foes. In Russia, the statements were interpreted to mean that Trump isn’t really opposed to foreign wars of conquest after all. To them...

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Here's a Daily Beast columnist explaining why he dreads 2025 and the awful things that Trump is going to do when he takes power this month. I wish he was wrong.

Opinion: Why I’m Already Dreading 2025

Has there been a more dreadful New Year’s Eve? I don’t mean dreadful in the sense that it’s hard to get taxicabs in the cold when it’s two o’clock in the morning, you’re drunk and either you or your date is wearing heels, one of which has almost certainly broken off. I mean dreadful, rather, in...

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Trump gets away with the hush money case as judge Juan Merchan lacks the balls to sentence Trump to prison, or anything at all, in fact on sentence day of 10th January. What a fucking surprise.

Here's the news from a BTC video and also a news article.

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Judge orders Trump to be sentenced on Jan. 10 in hush-money case

Justice Juan Merchan said he is not inclined to sentence Trump to any term of incarceration just 10 days before he is set to be sworn in as president for a second term

uk.yahoo.com

 

[Astro What]

Trump gets away with the hush money case as judge Juan Merchan lacks the balls to sentence Trump to prison, or anything at all, in fact on sentence day of 10th January. What a fucking surprise.

Rarely do first time convictions result in a prison sentence. Usually probation at the worst. He will still have a conviction on his record.

 

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I'm not convinced by that. Glenn Kirschner said that he's getting special treatment because of who he is and his current status, so he should know what he's talking about. This has resulted in Trump being let off with zero punishment and just a useless conviction that won't do anything other than piss off Trump. Of course, Trump's lawyers will fight even that as Glenn explained and I bet they succeed too, so he'll go scot free.

We've seen how Trump has subverted justice multiple times now, the worst one of course is not being disqualified after the insurrection and then actually getting elected, which I maintain sounds suspicious given the clean sweep based on such a razor thin margin. I wish it would have been investigated as now we'll never know. Biden and Harris just rolled over instead of investigating. Pathetic.

The whole thing makes me sick like you wouldn't believe. I should rename this thread to something like Trump Beats the Law With Money and Corruption as that's precisely what's happened and the consequences of this I believe will likely be even worse than we can imagine.

 

[Astro What]

Glenn Kirschner said that he's getting special treatment because of who he is and his current status, so he should know what he's talking about.

In a federal trial it is different. Just like doing time in a fed prison is different than in a state prison. Typically in a fed case you serve more of your time incarcerated.
State trials (which is what he was convicted in) typically for non-violent felonies end up with probation.

 

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I get what you're saying, but he won't even be given probation, literally only the conviction. I guess we should really wait until the actual sentencing on the 10th to know for sure what he's gonna get, but getting nothing at all other than a conviction seems pretty likely from what I'm seeing here.

In defence* of Trump, if I was in his shoes and was actually innocent, I'd fight that conviction too, to clear my name so I get why he's doing it, although it's not like he has to go look for a job where it could hamper him finding one, like a normal person, and he's way beyond retirement age anyway. And of course, we all know he's not actually innocent.

*Sorry, I keep defences of Trump to a minimum lol and not hard to do.

 

[Astro What]

I get what you're saying, but he won't even be given probation, literally only the conviction.

There has to be a sentence of some type to go along with the conviction, even if it is a conditional discharge (which amounts to a type of probation). On a conditional discharge youhe defendan must meet conditions set by the court, such as staying out of trouble, paying fines, or performing community service. They must also notify the court in writing if they violate any of the program's rules.
Of course, the conditions will probably be non-existent.... but he's still convicted of a felony and has all the restrictions in place that a convicted felon has... like not being able to vote.

 

[Retro]

Ok for that explanation, let's see what happens. I'd love to see the irony and humiliation of a sitting president being unable to vote!

 

[Astro What]

Ok for that explanation, let's see what happens. I'd love to see the irony and humiliation of a sitting president being unable to vote!

In most states, felons lose the right to vote upon conviction, along with a few other rights, like the right to own firearms and work in certain fields. What will be curious is if he "qualifies" for top security clearance with a felony when others cannot.

 

[Retro]

Soz, meant to say ok thanks for that explanation.

What will be curious is if he "qualifies" for top security clearance with a felony when others canno

Well, given how he has subverted almost every other rule, I'm sure he'll "qualify" for top security. Seriously AW, I could rant. Such a travesty.

 

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I said from the start that the result of this election was suspicious, having Putin written all over it and this video proves me right. Again, just how unlikely is it for Trump to win such a clean sweep on razor thin margins? Extremely so. This analysis explains how the data is very suspicious, not following a normal bell distribution curve and then compares it to data from Georgia (the country) to show how the results show a similar bias. The video is 1h26m long, so set aside some time to watch it.

You can bet your bottom dollar that Biden and Harris knew about these dodgy results long before an independent organisation decided to analyse them, so why were they so keen to concede the election? Was it really all down to optics of the shoe now being on the other foot and therefore claiming the same as Trump did, to lose them credibility? I dunno, but I believe it must be something more than that. They have done the whole country and the world a huge disservice by not speaking up to question the election and now we're stuck with this tyrant-in-waiting, Donald Trump.

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@Astro What if you have the time, I do suggest that you see it and then let me know if you still think that the election was free and fair. I'd be very interested.

 

[Astro What]

The problem is... the Democrats simply failed to get the point across that votes were important. To top it off, Biden was not very popular and Harris stated basically she would offer more of the same.
It's just an attempt to white-wash the fact that Biden/Harris were seen as not good for the country, even if that perception was incorrect. They did a piss-poor job of marketing themselves when compared to Trump.
Of course, Trumps marketing lies are already coming back to bite him in the ass as he realizes that all the BS he promised those voters are not going to come into being.
Ultimately, that will benefit the Democrats in 2016.

 

[Retro]

Have you actually seen the video? It shows evidence of vote rigging to the point of overturning Harris's win into a loss, the kind of thing I've been saying is highly likely given that highly unlikely clean sweep on such a razor thin margin and they're making that point, too. That makes all the other explanations for Harris's loss like you're describing null and void, if proved conclusively. The data used is taken from official, publically available sources too, so you and me could technically reproduce their results.

Unfortunately, no one in any kind of authority is going to investigate it and this will likely just disappear into oblivion. You can be sure that if it gained more traction that Trump and his government cronies would suppress it, too. Maybe it will all come out years later, when it's all too late to do anything about it, who knows.